ABC's ’08 Prediction: NYC Under Water from Climate Change By June 2015

originally posted by: BlackboxInquiry
Ah..."Journalism" - so full of truth and facts...HAHAHAH!

You get what you 'pay' for.

No one said physics were fun

a reply to: eisegesis

MSM news likes to cherry pick. While Blindfolded. And hanging upside down.

If you keep up with your media watchdogs you'll find that some of there source material can be a decade old and they bring in scientists that are not even in the field to discuss a topic they know little about.

originally posted by: libertytoall
Welcome to the liberal atheist prediction zone where atheists will help guide you through your inner fear and despair that you now experience due to their fearmongering climate change agenda driven to force you into compliance.

I once read something very similar it was called the new testement. Quite ironic isnt it, that atheists would bash the fire and brimstone of the bible and create their own fire and brimstone. Many Atheists prove to be some of the dumbest people ever to walk the earth. Its becoming ever more obvious. I don't even have to ask if someone is atheist I can tell one minute into a conversation with them. Often times they will dress like hipsters and have a better than everyone else attitude. Its as obvious as seeing a bad driver and knowing they are from massechussetts before even noticing the license plate.

Seeing as I am from MA, I can totally relate...

a reply to: Vector99

Funny is about it.

a reply to: BlackboxInquiry

physics are funny when you don't understand them. you tend to think particles merrily just meet and hold hands, when the exact opposite is true.

Although I know there are everywhere ''global warming nazis'' that can't wait to bash and ridicule everyone who things otherwise I have no problem to say what I think

Firstly I don't believe global warming (as presented to us) is a real issue, just another scum,

and secondly even if it is, I don't give a f@#&...

When poor people pay relatively more carbon taxes in their gas and electricity bill than a factory or a transport business
I really don't care about climate change, global warming, at all

All I care is global suffering, economic slavery, global tyranny, misery wars and hunger

And although I do care for my children's future there are much bigger threats for their lives than global warming

our parents and ancestors leave us their #ty established societies and now we are giving our children an even worse
system that's based on (intended) speculation that will lead in a global energy and carbon dictatorship.

in the end, even if this hyperbolic issue is real, earth will survive no matter what, nature always find a way, and humans could use a global catastrophe to rebuild hopefully a better society.

So again global warming (or climate change as they later named it after no signs of global warming) is bullsh!t


And I'll release as much carbon dioxide as possible,

come and stop me if you can!

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99

it's doom porn to make people think oceans are rising and coastal cities will drown.

No. That will happen, the politics don't matter.
Doom porn says nothing can be done about it.
Science says we need to plan and prepare for it.

And Already HAS happened. It will continue to happen. Those who believe otherwise are foolhardy.

The real crux of the matter is...... why some people seem to think we can stop it. And whether or not man is to blame.

Me, I tend to think we should learn from lessons of inundated cities of the past, and not build coastal cities, and prepare the current coastal cities for the inevitable.

What we should NOT be doing is wasting time placing blame when it will do nothing but cause division, and denial.

Is the climate changing? Yes, of course it is. It's been changing in one direction of another for as long as we can look back in history. And it will continue to change.

We will NEVER, and I repeat NEVER have a stable climate on this planet. The sun has very different plans for us. We have a comfortable climate, for now, but nothing lasts forever, and it is NOT stable.

We're but one super volcano away from mass extinctions.

a reply to: Dr1Akula

Stop attributing the solutions that politicians come up with as part of the science behind the theory. Politicians, are all NOTORIOUS for not understanding the science they are legislating on. Yes, even the ones who are for climate change. Clearly you have highlighted something wrong with the supporter politicians. They are just as prone to trying to profit off of this problem as the denialists are profiting off of denying it.

None of that means the science is bad and that we shouldn't do anything or nothing can be done. There are ALWAYS solutions if we are willing to put our heads together to think of them. I like the idea of transitioning to hemp oil for instance.

originally posted by: Phage
Is your point that the media seldom get science right? That's a given.

....

Or is your point that global warming is not happening?

I think the aim is for folks to hopefully confuse the two.

double post, sorry

originally posted by: c0gN1t1v3D1ss0nanC3
a reply to: Phage

Without you, she wouldn't have a carbon footprint. Overpopulation is the reason why we have had to burn so much oil, and cut down so many trees.

LMAO! Oh my god that made me laugh out in this restaurant!

Good messages back and forth, but damn that was unexpected. .

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99

Changes couldcould be drastic, but not likely, and definitely not in our lifetime.

It's my daughter I'm more concerned about. But we are seeing it happening right now. If we're paying attention.

Some of us are paying close attention to the real source of that problem. It's called haarp. The technology already exists, and they can even steer hurricanes.

There is one other source of the problem and that is the sun.

But you wont hear that on MSM because knowledge on this is not meant to be known by the public.

How many thousands of people have posted that the world will end on XX (random) given date. It's no different! You could search Youtube and Google for hours and find articles where people claim things happening in the future that never happen.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99
So, let's ignore global warming and its effects.
Good plan.

LOL.

So what is the alternative ?

Grant government more power that ever before under the false delusion of 'saving' the planet ?

Hey the only science at play is is the science says the climate has been changing for over 5 billion years.

Unlike people, and the economy. Regulation, and taxation isn't going to stop the planet from doing what it has for eons.

The second politicians started running their mouths about it ?

Is PURE AGENDA.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99
So, let's ignore global warming and its effects.
Good plan.

LOL.

So what is the alternative ?

Grant government more power that ever before under the false delusion of 'saving' the planet ?

Hey the only science at play is is the science says the climate has been changing for over 5 billion years.

Unlike people, and the economy. Regulation, and taxation isn't going to stop the planet from doing what it has for eons.

The second politicians started running their mouths about it ?

Is PURE AGENDA.

Exactly. It is naive to think we can somehow stop it. If anything, mankind's meddling in nature's affairs has only proven one thing.

We make things worse when we attempt to fix something.

I like to think about it this way. We dam a river because we need a reservoir, or we're attempting to control flooding, or we want to make the river wider so pictures of the cities skyline looks more dramatic (Columbus, OH). For whatever reason the dam is built. Now, we have species that die off downriver, that depended on the flooding, and the sedimentary nutrients it brings. Over time, the damn weakens and could break endangering the lives of all the humans that built along the now "tame" river.

Or, we hunt wolves to protect ourselves from wolf attack, and then the deer population explodes, and the plant life gets decimated from the overpopulation changing the ecosystem.

www.missionwolf.org...

Reversing climate change is a dangerous undertaking IMO. It's not as simple as releasing a few wolves and letting nature take it's course in a small ecosystem. We're not just fighting any changes we may (or may not) have made, but we're fighting a cyclic change on a global scale. We're in a cooling trend at the moment. That can and will change to a warming trend at some point.

www.globalresearch.ca...

But the thought of messing purposefully with the atmosphere, to try to change the short term climate, just scares me to death. I heard talk at some point in the early 90's that some scientist wanted to release a bunch of some gas, I can't find anything on it now or I'd link it, to counter all the CFC's that were killing the Ozone Layer. That's just frightening. How could anyone possibly know the consequences of such an action.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The ONLY thing we should be doing is reforesting the planet. Let nature do the rest. Plant's are carbon's worst nightmare.

originally posted by: poncho1982

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99
So, let's ignore global warming and its effects.
Good plan.

LOL.

So what is the alternative ?

Grant government more power that ever before under the false delusion of 'saving' the planet ?

Hey the only science at play is is the science says the climate has been changing for over 5 billion years.

Unlike people, and the economy. Regulation, and taxation isn't going to stop the planet from doing what it has for eons.

The second politicians started running their mouths about it ?

Is PURE AGENDA.

Exactly. It is naive to think we can somehow stop it. If anything, mankind's meddling in nature's affairs has only proven one thing.

We make things worse when we attempt to fix something.

I like to think about it this way. We dam a river because we need a reservoir, or we're attempting to control flooding, or we want to make the river wider so pictures of the cities skyline looks more dramatic (Columbus, OH). For whatever reason the dam is built. Now, we have species that die off downriver, that depended on the flooding, and the sedimentary nutrients it brings. Over time, the damn weakens and could break endangering the lives of all the humans that built along the now "tame" river.

Or, we hunt wolves to protect ourselves from wolf attack, and then the deer population explodes, and the plant life gets decimated from the overpopulation changing the ecosystem.

www.missionwolf.org...

Reversing climate change is a dangerous undertaking IMO. It's not as simple as releasing a few wolves and letting nature take it's course in a small ecosystem. We're not just fighting any changes we may (or may not) have made, but we're fighting a cyclic change on a global scale. We're in a cooling trend at the moment. That can and will change to a warming trend at some point.

www.globalresearch.ca...

But the thought of messing purposefully with the atmosphere, to try to change the short term climate, just scares me to death. I heard talk at some point in the early 90's that some scientist wanted to release a bunch of some gas, I can't find anything on it now or I'd link it, to counter all the CFC's that were killing the Ozone Layer. That's just frightening. How could anyone possibly know the consequences of such an action.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The ONLY thing we should be doing is reforesting the planet. Let nature do the rest. Plant's are carbon's worst nightmare.

You sir, see the big picture and do not wear blinders or divulge in self ignorance.

I love you

Star.

Good day

Even NOAA cannot hide the worlds ice....

When combining the Northern and Southern Hemisphere sea ice extents, the globally-averaged sea ice extent during April was 23.02 million square km (8.89 million square miles), 3.8 percent above the 1981-2010 average. This was the fifth largest April global sea ice extent on record.

And just for good measure they added even though its the fifth highest extent on record LOL...

The Global sea ice extent during April is decreasing at an average rate of 0.2 percent per decade

link

a reply to: occamsrazor04

This is what is actually happening. The main scientists proponents of the AGW agenda know very well, alongside governments like the U.S. that Climate Change does indeed happens. in fact it ALWAYS happens.

What is "special" about this time now is that changes have been occurring on Earth and the entire solar system, including the Sun, which haven't happened for a very long time. Certain groups and elitists are using these changes to try to take more control over people's lives.

The changes i am talking about are not about atmospheric CO2, but changes like the Earth's magnetic field weakening since the 1840s.

Magnetic Field Weakening in Stages, Old Ships' Logs Suggest

Earth's Magnetic Field Is Weakening 10 Times Faster Now

Then, there is the fact that there has been an steady and exponential increase in the number of earthquakes worldwide as well as and increase in underwater volcanic activity.

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The average rate of big earthquakes — those larger than magnitude 7 — has been 10 per year since 1979, the study reports. That rate rose to 12.5 per year starting in 1992, and then jumped to 16.7 per year starting in 2010 — a 65 percent increase compared to the rate since 1979. This increase accelerated in the first three months of 2014 to more than double the average since 1979, the researchers report.
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www.livescience.com...

There are some people who would claim this is not true, but those people happen to be wrong.

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1. Introduction

Obvious increases in the global rate of large (M ≥ 7.0) earthquakes happened after 1992, 2010, and especially during the first quarter of 2014 (Table 1 and Figure 1). Given these high rates, along with suggestions that damaging earthquakes may be causatively linked at global distance [e.g., Gomberg and Bodin, 1994; Pollitz et al., 1998; Tzanis and Makropoulos, 2002; Bufe and Perkins, 2005; Gonzalez-Huizar et al., 2012; Pollitz et al., 2012, 2014], we investigate whether there is a significant departure from a random process underlying these rate changes. Recent studies have demonstrated that M ≥ 7.0 earthquakes (and also tsunamis) that occurred since 1900 follow a Poisson process [e.g., Michael, 2011; Geist and Parsons, 2011; Daub et al., 2012; Shearer and Stark, 2012; Parsons and Geist, 2012; Ben-Naim et al., 2013]. Here we focus on the period since 2010, which has M ≥ 7.0 rates increased by 65% and M ≥ 5.0 rates up 32% compared with the 1979 – present average. The first quarter of 2014 experienced more than double the average M ≥ 7.0 rate, enough to intrigue the news media [e.g., www.nbcnews.com...]. We extend our analysis to M ≥ 5.0 levels, as many of these lower magnitude events convey significant hazard, and global catalogs have not generally been tested down to these thresholds.

2. Methods and Data

We work with the Advanced National Seismic System (ANSS) catalog of M≥ 5.0 global earthquakes for the period between 1979 and 2014.3 with a primary focus on the recent interval between 2010 and 2014.3 that shows the highest earthquake rates (Table 1 and Figure 1). A variety of tests suggest that the catalog is complete down to magnitudes between M=4.6 and M=5.2, depending on the method used to assess it (see supporting information). We examine a range of lower magnitude thresholds above M =5.0 to account for this uncertainty.
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profile.usgs.gov...


quake.geo.berkeley.edu...

Then there is the fact that has also been found that that some underwater volcanoes have also been melting glaciers. Some of the same glacier melting which has been blamed on anthropogenic CO2 by the AGW camp.

Underwater volcanoes, not climate change, reason behind melting of West Antarctic Ice Sheet

Thwaites Glacier, the large, rapidly changing outlet of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, is not only being eroded by the ocean, it's being melted from below by geothermal heat, researchers at the Institute for Geophysics at The University of Texas at Austin (UTIG) report in the current edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
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The geothermal heat contributed significantly to melting of the underside of the glacier, and it might be a key factor in allowing the ice sheet to slide, affecting the ice sheet's stability and its contribution to future sea level rise.

The cause of the variable distribution of heat beneath the glacier is thought to be the movement of magma and associated volcanic activity arising from the rifting of the Earth's crust beneath the West Antarctic Ice Sheet.
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The findings of lead author Dusty Schroeder and his colleagues show that the glacier sits on something more like a multi-burner stovetop with burners putting out heat at different levels at different locations.
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The collapse of the Thwaites Glacier would cause an increase of global sea level of between 1 and 2 meters, with the potential for more than twice that from the entire West Antarctic Ice Sheet.
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According to his findings, the minimum average geothermal heat flow beneath Thwaites Glacier is about 100 milliwatts per square meter, with hotspots over 200 milliwatts per square meter. For comparison, the average heat flow of the Earth's continents is less than 65 milliwatts per square meter.
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news.utexas.edu...


TPTB know these "climate changes" will continue to get worse, and there is nothing they can do to stop it. Instead they blame it all on anthropogenic CO2, a gas which all living creatures exhale. This way, they can blame "mankind" for these "climate changes" and implement laws which otherwise they would have never been able to implement.

Don't be fooled, AGW (Anthropogenic Global Warming) is the religion of using "climate changes" to take more control of people's lives through the implementation of a one world government "to combat climate change".

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: c0gN1t1v3D1ss0nanC3

At that point it all just comes down to political agenda driven BS.

Which far too many people buy into without bothering to go beyond it.

Indeed, yourself is the first too fall for it.

You actually think that a lot of the science you read on the subject is not affected by the same forces that control the media, this is funny.

And you do not believe for a second that SCIENCE can be shaped, and controlled to hide, and/or distort the REAL TRUTHS of things.

You have made up your mind, you think the science is clear, and it sure dam is not, as we can all see by going outside.

Science moves its goalposts constantly, but somehow that is ok , and not actually treated for the farce that it really is, the control sets that hover over it, no problem, we need those right ??

Never mind looking for the WHOLE TRUTH, just look at small sectors and draw all your conclusions from there, and disregard the facts that all of your sources actually DO agree with the media's take, roughly 100% of the time.

originally posted by: pl3bscheese

originally posted by: c0gN1t1v3D1ss0nanC3
a reply to: Phage

Yet you think that somehow claiming the debate on climate change is over, and giving governments around the world more power over our lives is going to change that?

It's interesting you would choose to frame the discussion in this way. This seems to show a core belief and fear that has nothing to do with the topic.

The debate on if humans are influencing the global climate ended decades ago. The question which remains is to what degree, and what should be done about it. Did anyone watch Freeman Dyson's video on the second page? I found his take interesting.

Oh is that right ?

The core belief and fear is ALL OVER this topic, the claims that we humans should do something, like ummm, trounce the corporations to stop the evil hold over the better technologies that are held back from us, is only something ummm, WE can do ??

I guess Phage does not want to say outright what should be done about it, that is core belief and fear epitomized.

Let us all keep harping on about it until a savior way beyond anything EVER comes along to get rid of the scums, maybe that is the trick.

And while we are at it, let us fully believe the science we have absolutely NO verification of, since no experiment has been done on this scale, tell us ALL ABOUT IT.

AKA, I do not want to even hear about this crap, anyone who is truly open minded can see not even CLOSE to the right amount of variables are plugged in, NOONE knows who is actually controlling the show, and certainly outcomes cannot be predicted without true KNOWLEDGE about every dam thing.

I find it sickeningly boring and sad that people want to push so hard for us to watch something so incomplete, and useless.