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originally posted by: BlackboxInquiry
Ah..."Journalism" - so full of truth and facts...HAHAHAH!
You get what you 'pay' for.
originally posted by: libertytoall
Welcome to the liberal atheist prediction zone where atheists will help guide you through your inner fear and despair that you now experience due to their fearmongering climate change agenda driven to force you into compliance.
I once read something very similar it was called the new testement. Quite ironic isnt it, that atheists would bash the fire and brimstone of the bible and create their own fire and brimstone. Many Atheists prove to be some of the dumbest people ever to walk the earth. Its becoming ever more obvious. I don't even have to ask if someone is atheist I can tell one minute into a conversation with them. Often times they will dress like hipsters and have a better than everyone else attitude. Its as obvious as seeing a bad driver and knowing they are from massechussetts before even noticing the license plate.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99
it's doom porn to make people think oceans are rising and coastal cities will drown.
No. That will happen, the politics don't matter.
Doom porn says nothing can be done about it.
Science says we need to plan and prepare for it.
originally posted by: c0gN1t1v3D1ss0nanC3
a reply to: Phage
Without you, she wouldn't have a carbon footprint. Overpopulation is the reason why we have had to burn so much oil, and cut down so many trees.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99
Changes couldcould be drastic, but not likely, and definitely not in our lifetime.
It's my daughter I'm more concerned about. But we are seeing it happening right now. If we're paying attention.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99
So, let's ignore global warming and its effects.
Good plan.
originally posted by: neo96
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99
So, let's ignore global warming and its effects.
Good plan.
LOL.
So what is the alternative ?
Grant government more power that ever before under the false delusion of 'saving' the planet ?
Hey the only science at play is is the science says the climate has been changing for over 5 billion years.
Unlike people, and the economy. Regulation, and taxation isn't going to stop the planet from doing what it has for eons.
The second politicians started running their mouths about it ?
Is PURE AGENDA.
originally posted by: poncho1982
originally posted by: neo96
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99
So, let's ignore global warming and its effects.
Good plan.
LOL.
So what is the alternative ?
Grant government more power that ever before under the false delusion of 'saving' the planet ?
Hey the only science at play is is the science says the climate has been changing for over 5 billion years.
Unlike people, and the economy. Regulation, and taxation isn't going to stop the planet from doing what it has for eons.
The second politicians started running their mouths about it ?
Is PURE AGENDA.
Exactly. It is naive to think we can somehow stop it. If anything, mankind's meddling in nature's affairs has only proven one thing.
We make things worse when we attempt to fix something.
I like to think about it this way. We dam a river because we need a reservoir, or we're attempting to control flooding, or we want to make the river wider so pictures of the cities skyline looks more dramatic (Columbus, OH). For whatever reason the dam is built. Now, we have species that die off downriver, that depended on the flooding, and the sedimentary nutrients it brings. Over time, the damn weakens and could break endangering the lives of all the humans that built along the now "tame" river.
Or, we hunt wolves to protect ourselves from wolf attack, and then the deer population explodes, and the plant life gets decimated from the overpopulation changing the ecosystem.
www.missionwolf.org...
Reversing climate change is a dangerous undertaking IMO. It's not as simple as releasing a few wolves and letting nature take it's course in a small ecosystem. We're not just fighting any changes we may (or may not) have made, but we're fighting a cyclic change on a global scale. We're in a cooling trend at the moment. That can and will change to a warming trend at some point.
www.globalresearch.ca...
But the thought of messing purposefully with the atmosphere, to try to change the short term climate, just scares me to death. I heard talk at some point in the early 90's that some scientist wanted to release a bunch of some gas, I can't find anything on it now or I'd link it, to counter all the CFC's that were killing the Ozone Layer. That's just frightening. How could anyone possibly know the consequences of such an action.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The ONLY thing we should be doing is reforesting the planet. Let nature do the rest. Plant's are carbon's worst nightmare.
When combining the Northern and Southern Hemisphere sea ice extents, the globally-averaged sea ice extent during April was 23.02 million square km (8.89 million square miles), 3.8 percent above the 1981-2010 average. This was the fifth largest April global sea ice extent on record.
The Global sea ice extent during April is decreasing at an average rate of 0.2 percent per decade
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The average rate of big earthquakes — those larger than magnitude 7 — has been 10 per year since 1979, the study reports. That rate rose to 12.5 per year starting in 1992, and then jumped to 16.7 per year starting in 2010 — a 65 percent increase compared to the rate since 1979. This increase accelerated in the first three months of 2014 to more than double the average since 1979, the researchers report.
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1. Introduction
Obvious increases in the global rate of large (M ≥ 7.0) earthquakes happened after 1992, 2010, and especially during the first quarter of 2014 (Table 1 and Figure 1). Given these high rates, along with suggestions that damaging earthquakes may be causatively linked at global distance [e.g., Gomberg and Bodin, 1994; Pollitz et al., 1998; Tzanis and Makropoulos, 2002; Bufe and Perkins, 2005; Gonzalez-Huizar et al., 2012; Pollitz et al., 2012, 2014], we investigate whether there is a significant departure from a random process underlying these rate changes. Recent studies have demonstrated that M ≥ 7.0 earthquakes (and also tsunamis) that occurred since 1900 follow a Poisson process [e.g., Michael, 2011; Geist and Parsons, 2011; Daub et al., 2012; Shearer and Stark, 2012; Parsons and Geist, 2012; Ben-Naim et al., 2013]. Here we focus on the period since 2010, which has M ≥ 7.0 rates increased by 65% and M ≥ 5.0 rates up 32% compared with the 1979 – present average. The first quarter of 2014 experienced more than double the average M ≥ 7.0 rate, enough to intrigue the news media [e.g., www.nbcnews.com...]. We extend our analysis to M ≥ 5.0 levels, as many of these lower magnitude events convey significant hazard, and global catalogs have not generally been tested down to these thresholds.
2. Methods and Data
We work with the Advanced National Seismic System (ANSS) catalog of M≥ 5.0 global earthquakes for the period between 1979 and 2014.3 with a primary focus on the recent interval between 2010 and 2014.3 that shows the highest earthquake rates (Table 1 and Figure 1). A variety of tests suggest that the catalog is complete down to magnitudes between M=4.6 and M=5.2, depending on the method used to assess it (see supporting information). We examine a range of lower magnitude thresholds above M =5.0 to account for this uncertainty.
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Thwaites Glacier, the large, rapidly changing outlet of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, is not only being eroded by the ocean, it's being melted from below by geothermal heat, researchers at the Institute for Geophysics at The University of Texas at Austin (UTIG) report in the current edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
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The geothermal heat contributed significantly to melting of the underside of the glacier, and it might be a key factor in allowing the ice sheet to slide, affecting the ice sheet's stability and its contribution to future sea level rise.
The cause of the variable distribution of heat beneath the glacier is thought to be the movement of magma and associated volcanic activity arising from the rifting of the Earth's crust beneath the West Antarctic Ice Sheet.
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The findings of lead author Dusty Schroeder and his colleagues show that the glacier sits on something more like a multi-burner stovetop with burners putting out heat at different levels at different locations.
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The collapse of the Thwaites Glacier would cause an increase of global sea level of between 1 and 2 meters, with the potential for more than twice that from the entire West Antarctic Ice Sheet.
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According to his findings, the minimum average geothermal heat flow beneath Thwaites Glacier is about 100 milliwatts per square meter, with hotspots over 200 milliwatts per square meter. For comparison, the average heat flow of the Earth's continents is less than 65 milliwatts per square meter.
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: c0gN1t1v3D1ss0nanC3
At that point it all just comes down to political agenda driven BS.
Which far too many people buy into without bothering to go beyond it.
originally posted by: pl3bscheese
originally posted by: c0gN1t1v3D1ss0nanC3
a reply to: Phage
Yet you think that somehow claiming the debate on climate change is over, and giving governments around the world more power over our lives is going to change that?
It's interesting you would choose to frame the discussion in this way. This seems to show a core belief and fear that has nothing to do with the topic.
The debate on if humans are influencing the global climate ended decades ago. The question which remains is to what degree, and what should be done about it. Did anyone watch Freeman Dyson's video on the second page? I found his take interesting.