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Then having taken him up into the mountain, he hid him in a cloud and took him out of all earthly things... and he gave him a new birth as if he were a child in the womb... and revealed to him all that he had done in making the world in six days, showing him in six other days the making of the world, performing in his presence the work of each day.... (Cosmas 3.13)
When Philo described the apotheosis of Moses on Sinai he said that he entered the darkness where God was; ‘...the unseen, invisible, incorporeal, and archetypal essence of all existing things and he beheld what is hidden from the sight of mortal nature’ (Moses 1.158). This is what the Qumran texts describe as the raz nihyeh, (4Q300, 417), what 1 Peter describes as ‘the things into which angels long to look’ (1 Pet.1.12).
Elsewhere Philo explained that this invisible world was made on the first day of the creation
.. a beautiful copy would never be produced apart from a beautiful pattern... so when God willed to create this visible world he first fully formed the intelligible (i.e. invisible) world in order that he might have the use of a pattern wholly God-like and incorporeal in producing the material world as a later creation, the very image of the earlier (Creation 16)
When Ezra asks about the LORD's future plans for his people, he is assured that the One who planned all things would also see them to their end. Everything had been decided ‘before the winds blew and the thunder sounded and the lightning shone, before the foundations of paradise were laid and the angels were gathered together, before the heights of the air were lifted up and the measures of the firmaments were named, before the present years were reckoned’ (2 Esdr.6.1-6). Ezra is told that everything was planned in the holy of holies, before time.
The visionary saw history depicted on the veil, on the other side, so to speak, of matter and time. This probably explains the experience of Habakkuk, centuries earlier, who stood on the tower, a common designation for the holy of holies, and saw there ‘a vision of the future, it awaits its time, it hastens to the end, ... it will surely come it, will not delay’ (Hab.2.2-3). He recorded what he saw on tablets.
2 Baruch, on the other hand, says that Moses on Sinai received a vision rather than instruction and that it included knowledge about the future. He showed him.. ‘the end of time...the beginning of the day of judgement... worlds that have not yet come’ (2 Bar.59.4-10 c.f. 2 Esdr.14.4). Something similar was said of Jesus by the early Christian writers Ignatius of Antioch, Clement of Alexandria and Origen: that he was the high priest who had passed through the curtain and revealed the secrets of the past, the present and the future
History seen in the sanctuary, whether this was described as a tower or as Sinai, was history seen outside the limitations of space and time and this explains why histories in the apocalyptic writings are surveys not only of the past but also of the future as everything was depicted on the veil.
In 2 Enoch there is an account of how Enoch was taken to stand before the heavenly throne. Michael was told to remove his earthly clothing, anoint him and give him the garments of glory; ‘I looked at myself, and I had become like one of his glorious ones’ (2 En.22.10). This bears a strong resemblance Zechariah 3, where Joshua the high priest stands before the LORD, is vested with new garments and given the right to stand in the presence of the LORD. As late as the sixth century Cosmas Indicopleustes, an Egyptian Christian, wrote a great deal about the temple and its symbolism, and we shall have cause to consider his evidence at several points. Of Moses he said: the LORD hid him in a cloud on Sinai, took him out of all earthly things ‘and begot him anew like a child in the womb’ (Cosmas Christian Topography 3.13), clearly the same as Psalm 2; ‘I have set my king on Zion... You are my son. Today I have begotten you’ but using the imagery of reclothing with heavenly garments, rather than rebirth.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Thorneblood
I have used my imagination. The account of the seven day creation period isn't logically consistent time-wise. Disregarding the binary programming issue, there is no valid way we could program seven "days" of creation and have it mirror the Christian creation account. It's not possible, and like I said, events are out of order.
originally posted by: Char-Lee
I know a lot of ifs here....but
Lets just not think along the lines of Christian and such just extremely advanced intelligent life, using many various ancient texts as reference the days seem to come up many times as a week long process.
Also let's not worry about the ability of our present computing but just the way it is done, say it may equate to us ( a group of good specialists) creating an elaborate computer game with animal and people and environment.
Now if there was a prior pattern already finished as suggested in the texts I used here what would that mean to a computer programer? Anything?
Does it seem like maybe it could be done in an actual 6 of our days?
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Huh, so basically the universe was built in differing versions, according to this. day one, they made light and whatnot. Universe 1.0, and so on to "day" six, which we'll called "Microsoft Universe 6".
....Still, sadly, riddled with bugs. Here are a few examples.
"Still cannot render objects of sufficiently large stellar mass, space-time matrix collapses at these points, causing corruption."
"MOBS called "Human" very inefficient; breathing hole and eating hole are same hole. Looking into this."
"Speed of light too slow, does not allow for instantaneous information transfer. Problem balloons when stellar distances are calculated."
"In order to make stable objects, subroutine "gravity" had to be programmed much weaker than other subroutines. This could cause irregularities at the quantum level"
"Cannot account for why electromagnetic radiation can express as both particle, and wave. Researching this."
I'm reminded of a story of a Genie offering to give a man anything he could imagine.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Thorneblood
You must not be a programmer then.
They do? Which ones specifically? I am only aware of Christianity (and I guess as an extension, Judaism and Islam).