Say Hello to Obama's New Federal Neighborhood Engineering Plan

a reply to: myartisstrong

A final note about your crime rate statistics that is pointed out in your own source:

Both officials are careful not to blame Houston's recent rise in violent crime solely on Katrina evacuees, saying such statistics were rising last year before the hurricane.

and also:

They point to what they call the majority of law-abiding Louisianans now living in the city and say the crime rate per thousand for the evacuee population is not greater than it was among Houstonians before the influx of Katrina survivors.

Nobody is going to move "ghetto trash" (because obviously, poor people are all trash right?) into country club neighborhoods because the people who live in country club neighborhoods are typically the ones who hold local government office. In a round about way, your example of post-Katrina Houston, despite apparent factual errors, could also be construed as validation of the proposed policy changes. Based on a few articles from the time, it sounds like all of the refugees were placed together (creating a new ghetto) and a lot of the violence, particular the uptick in murders stems from gang violence. The thing about gang violence is it's intimately tied to slums. As an example, when Irish people were the "ghetto trash" of the 19th century in NYC, in what was at the time arguably the worst slum in the western world (Five Points), there were lots of Irish gangs.

It may be impossible for you and I can come to any sort of common ground because no matter what I say, the fact that your sister's neighbor was one of the probably .00017% of Houstonians who was murdered that year (and by a Katrina refugee and not by her husband/boyfriend which is exponentially more common) leaves you with a bias that is difficult to overcome even for somebody who doesn't already think that people are "trash" simply because they're poor.

a reply to: xuenchen

I think he should start at home, and build some low income housing on that nice big White House lawn.

Or, hey, section off some of the vast living areas for low income people. Fair is fair.

a reply to: neo96

Theres some 'hypberole'.

The 99% eh.

Household assets @ over 85 trillion dollars.

www.usdebtclock.org...

Seems the 99% is doing quite well.

How do you come to that conclusion with that data? What part of that 85 trillion is owned by the top .001%, .01%, .1%, 1%?



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a reply to: theantediluvian

Looks like we're about due for a depression and "New Deal" style wealth redistribution.

a reply to: myartisstrong

Wow! The mere fact that you will call someone trash, categorically even, tells me all I need to know about you. I hope you like it warm in the afterlife.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Pretty damn easy.

That 85 trillion in household assets.

Or the TRiLLONS more in government programs for the 'needy'.

I wonder why that NEVER gets counted.

a reply to: myartisstrong

This applies to the post because you cant take a bunch of ghetto trash and move them to affluent neighborhoods and expect them to all get jobs and behave. I am from Huntsville TX, so here is the example I'm thinking of... If we took all of Sycamore Blvd. (which is the ghetto, trailer park ridden area in Huntsville) and moved it to the golf course neighborhood Elkins Lake.

How dare those people be SO poor! They are getting their poverty all over the place.... Shame on them.

Oh wait...

Your superiority complex is showing.

You are not better than they are, because you have more money, or because you don't live in a trailer park.

We have worked hard since we got out of high school. We lived in a poorer area before because it's what we could afford. We saved money, didn't have a baby every year and lived decent. Then after a few years were able to buy some property and build a modest house within our means.

Sorry folks but I don't think we should have to have rules imposed on our neighborhood that the government can pick and choose who can live here in a government financed house.

You can call me a snob all day long, I don't care.

a reply to: daryllyn

Do you think these new regulations are going to eliminate poverty?

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: daryllyn

Do you think these new regulations are going to eliminate poverty?

No, I don't think that at all, but I am super tired of people acting as if the poor are lepers.

Money doesn't make you a better person.

The part about local governments not getting federal funds for blighted areas sounds ignorant. So, if they don't do this, the poor community loses out on any federal funds to improve their blighted community?! That seems counterproductive. As a Real Estate Agent in Florida, I will tell you that the mortgage backed loans are up to their old tricks in some areas. We had an ad for No-Doc loans. (No Documentation Required). That was going on before the crash of 08 when people were getting loans they had no proof they could pay the payments on. The federal government put pressure on the industry to make more loans to low income borrowers. The same thing they were doing before.

Anyway, this is not going to end well imho. I fully support getting good families and people out of areas of extreme poverty and high crime. I just question who will actually be moving into the more affluent areas. If you move more hardened criminals into these communities, then we are going to have a real problem.

Equal opportunity is what America has. You get your education and do the hard things working and you can move anywhere you want. I sell to all peoples in affluent communities. Actually, I have sold more to minorities in these communities already. But, to take people that don't have the education or skills to afford living and working in these communities is a recipe for disaster. You don't just start making more money because you move into a more expensive home. Also, the COST OF LIVING is a whole lot more than in the more impoverished communities. I see people moving into these communities and being unable to compete education wise (for jobs) and afford the sheer cost of living in the community even if the federal government pays a chunk of the mortgage.

a reply to: xuenchen

I say zone the lots on both sides of Obama's mansion first.

Then zone the lots on both sides of every rep in the House and Senate.

Then zone all the way around every Liberal mouth piece (NY's mayor comes to mind)

Oh that's right. They don't want to effect the actual people making these decisions. They want to stir the pot a little more and rile up the peons.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: theantediluvian

Pretty damn easy.

That 85 trillion in household assets.

Or the TRiLLONS more in government programs for the 'needy'.

I wonder why that NEVER gets counted.

Are you feigning ignorance as a tactic or are you serious? The $85 trillion figure is undifferentiated and therefore it says absolutely nothing about how well any particular group is doing. That makes it completely irrelevant for the purposes of your argument. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

Furthermore, the $85 trillion figure is the net of $99 trillion in assets minus $14.2 trillion in debts. What's the breakdown of debt by percentile?

That 85 trillion in household assets.

Or the TRiLLONS more in government programs for the 'needy'.

You're a veritable geyser of misinformation aren't you? It's actually more like $200 billion a year and that includes earned income credits. Do you know how the right-wing comes up with a figure of $1 trillion? By including a host of programs that nobody in their right mind considers exclusively "for the needy" including:

Child Support Enforcement
Foster care
Adoption Assistance
Federal Pell Grants
Ryan White HIV/AIDS Program
Improving Teacher Quality State Grants
Foster Grandparents

Don't take my word for it, (R) Jeff Sessions has a document detailing the programs counted in his $1.03 trillion figure, here. The Washington Post has a good breakdown here showing how much actually goes to programs "for the needy."

a reply to: xuenchen

How many ethically diverse people live in Obamas neighborhood or that of his relatives?

Can an I go buy a house in Hawaii now? I have no Hawaiian , Polynesian, Asian blood in me.

a reply to: daryllyn

Money makes you have a louder voice, more power, but will never make you a better person...unless you use your money for the good of others.

What the freaking hell is wrong with this sad president? I get the helping bad neighborhoods out, but where does he get the authority to bring the ghetto to my community?? I've already lived near section 8 multiple times and it was terrible!! They'd steal from us, start fights in parks that were once ok to be in at night, they start drug houses and I know that for sure because twice I've seen the section 8 houses get raided by cops. They need to stop trying to mix oil and water it won't work. They need to start with education and job creation to give the poor a chance to earn wealth the right way, not just throwing just enough cash at them to keep them stuck where they are.

originally posted by: Ultralight
a reply to: xuenchen

How many ethically diverse people live in Obamas neighborhood or that of his relatives?

Can an I go buy a house in Hawaii now? I have no Hawaiian , Polynesian, Asian blood in me.

The Obama residence is in Chicago....

5046 South Greenwood Avenue

an upper crusty area.

Bring it on. There is no quicker way to turn this boat around and get back on the right track than making the people who think that these endless policies that prop up leeches and decimates the working poor and lower middle class actually deal with the consequences of their voting and political ideology.

Zoning communities for diversity is good, but isn't that how slums get created in the first place?

Regardless, they aren't talking about that here, but are offering grant money for their new "projects".

I'm familiar with "gentrification". What that really means is a poor neighborhood has worked hard to become something more than a ghetto only to have big money come in and buy up the neighborhood. The taxes go up and the increased competition drives away the businesses and people that made the area desirable. The hard work that created the neighborhood only paves the way for big business to take over prime downtown real estate.

a reply to: myartisstrong

Doesn't change the fact that if you take poor ghetto trash that was bred by poor ghetto trash and put them in nice areas, they will continue to act like poor ghetto trash.

So I suppose Jews are ghetto trash to, along with the millions people below the federal poverty line that live in areas like West Virginia and the Appalachian Mountains?