Aliens exist: Here is the proof

originally posted by: 321Go
Anu, I'm not knocking your beliefs – everyone has a right to believe in what they want – but how do you know this if it's a secret? Are you not afraid that some secret official will come looking for you now that you've made it public knowledge?

Because i'm a Witness to this. I didn't read this information and i was a target of Early NSA/ Canadian Secret intelligence services CSIS Ect, Because i had difficulties talking about this kind of stuff on facebook in 2009 when the software was being developed and was in Alpha stage my computers i purchased ( I bought more than a couple computers all experiencing this) Inbetween facebook conversations or typing up my experiences i would get bombarded by blue screen memory dump crashes from brand new devices. I had to use other peoples computers to do this because my IP was flagged.

I couldn't even really take pictures or capture footage because of the nature of the creature i saw wouldn't allow it.
They can drain batteries. Force electronics to play imputed audios that didn't exist on it such as importing music to radio stations where there is no station playing said music. They can do a whole bunch of freaky crap the norm of society would associate to ghosts. Nowadays i think the secret services software is a bit more updated so it does not crash my computers when i ramble about this stuff. I'm not exactly sure why my brand new computers were crashing im just assuming the whole NSA Canadian secret services thing because it fits into the timeline of when that stuff was fairly new. Also the strange part was this was during a time the army was heavily engaged in this Area to defend against Terrorist threats for the 2010 Winter Olympics.

I'm just here, well. Just because. I know information so its amusing revealing it. I like my new service provider i'v been using because the last one kept auto disconnecting me when i would go into alien story mode. Shaw really doesn't care it seems. Go shaw!

originally posted by: AnuTyr
a reply to: Legman

Yes this is where the story of the boy who cried wolf has relevance.

How? Doesn't the wolf come eventually? Isn't the moral that if you keep telling lies, eventually nobody will believe you? So are you saying that people are lying and that's why there is no evidence? Or are you saying that people aren't lying and what? either way there is still no wolf.

a reply to: Emerys

How many habital planets are in the known Universe?

Doesn't matter at all. Not one bit if we have to assume they're
inhabited because they are habitable.

Because an island is habitable isn't evidence that it is habitated.

Aliens do exist, in So Cal especially.

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

People lieing diverts from the people who have experience. The wolf is real. Funny thing is, The alien i saw showed my friend and i one of its veried shapeshifted forms which was a large blacker than pitch black wolf with no eyes or interior detail really. Looked like a 3-D outline of a shadow impossibly black. Well it's not really impossible since i saw it. But in terms of just a black room. It would have a clear outline in a room with no light. It was pretty Trippy, Or psychedelic if you want to define Trippy as such. I wasn't on drugs and my friend i was with was having a psychotic nervious breakdown. Now he is an alcoholic.

Aliens are serious buisness.

a reply to: AnuTyr

People lieing diverts from the people who have experience.

I have to agree with that. there are definitely some people that have experienced something and then there are the ones that just want attention. In that respect, I concede the point.

a reply to: Outrageo

Yes, compelling evidence and lots of big numbers "helps" to establish, but, ultimately, has NOT YET established AS "FACT", AS "TRUTH". Not yet "beyond a reasonable doubt". It is not that we "want to doubt", we do not.

I think you stated it best.."beyond reasonable doubt"...however, is your doubt reasonable? You are attempting to argue against probabilities that if left to chance; you would never, in the life span o the Universe, maifes..th probabilities are simply to far out of "reasonable".

Combine this with the fact that you, and everybody here rely on probabilities that are vastly greater for the order you demand and depend upon in your lives.

Take for instance a simple little 32 digit Hex number that, in order for your finances, an other critical aspects of your life, to not be confused with the person next to you, absolutely MUST be unique. It's called a GUID, and the probability of a random repeat is actually virtually certain in the face of the probabilities brought about by probability of other life. Yet, somehow, perhaps by magic, your life remains yours, and isn't confused with someone else... makes ya wonder how that works...

I suppose it get easy to ignore numbers that you can't really relate to...And it has been established that typically the skeptic community around here will not accept most data, unless of course it's what they personally want...

The reality remains, that probability demands that Earth is not the only location of life...at any level. Terrestrials are not the only advanced life in the universe.

What I see here...repeatedly, is good intelligent people refusing to accept viable data/evidence in favor of something that agrees with how they personally "want" things to be, and without a single care about reality.

At the end f it all; your doubts are not reasonable.

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

answers.yahoo.com...

answers.yahoo.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I wrote my experiences here if you are interested in reading them. My first experience happened almost 6 years ago, Since it was in July and its not exactly july yet which is why i said it was almost 6 years ago.
Instead of going to mufon, I just wrote them there just cuz. In hindsight. I should of probably wrote it to Mufon. But the reason why i didnt is because i met one of the directors of Mufon and he was kinda a cheeseball so i decided not to. Dude was trying to tell me what i was seeing was a being in the 5th dimension as if he cannot concieve this creature i saw was from another planet. Not some rip in the sky to some other universe.... now thinking about it. Mufon would of totally desicrated my experience with a bunch of Archon like Gnosis bullshot. Enjoy my archived experience lol. I cant tell the other experiences because it's weirder because i used biblical crap and well. I'm not going to really elaborate. Maybe il post it one day but for now. This experience will do.

originally posted by: Outrageo
a reply to: Emerys

What will it take? A landing on the proverbial White House Lawn? Sure, that'll work. A visit to my own bedroom, probe in hand? Undoubtedly, for me, yes, that will definitely be convincing enough. A mass arrival of ships over every major city. Umm, yep - I'm in.

None of those things have happened yet. So you can shrill at 'trolls', accuse those not jumping on your wagon of anything that makes you feel better, do all manner of thumping and screeching - but it's still not "proof".

What about the arrival of these ships?

In law, we have what you call circumstantial and testimonial evidence. If those are not allowed, then pretty much all criminals should go free, because how do you know this guy shoplifted, how do you know he just robbed a bank?
Even if the glove fits, you can never be sure that the person is a murderer, because it's possible that someone else can fit the glove. The only proof, by the standards that people are using, is for the jury to be there and see the murder(the glove is not direct evidence, it's still just circumstantial or indirect evidence, and we still have to infer things from it.)

Another example is the recent Chinese hacking(assuming that they did it), technically, you can never be sure that they did it. The scary thing is, people might go to war over this. And in fact, if someone was to fire a missile at a U.S ship, you can never be sure(and in this case, it's actually with good reasons, because how does one know it's not a false flag?) How do you know the sailors didn't make up the stories, and so on. It's still just testimonial evidence after all.

In our world and in most cases, you cannot have direct evidence, you have to rely on logic and inference, from the available indirect, circumstantial or testimonial evidence.

Like I said, if you are to ignore any amount of reasonableness or circumstantial evidence, then pretty much the only proof acceptable is to see the events with your own eyes. How do we know an extreme set of circumstances of random elements and molecules didn't lead to fossils, instead of animals dying? How do we know the government didn't fake those fossils? People seem to go "anti-Occam" whenever it comes to UFOs(like how the missile defense system jumped from 5% to 85% in a couple of decades. Of course, we can easily prove this, but when the Israelis refuse to let you test the evidence, then what can you do? See, unlike a court, you can't just make a government prove their case), so why not here, or any scientific theories? See, no matter how many fossils you find, Evolution is still just an inference. The only proof acceptable, by the standards people are using, is for one person to continuously observe one species "morphing" into another, and it can't just be one species, it has to be all species(a wolf changing into a dog does not necessarily mean that a horse can change into a wolf(yes, I know the wolf is not one of our ancestors, just making a point here).

a reply to: 321Go

I completely disagree with that statement. The argument used as proof is not well written. For a start, there is no definition of 'alien' – it could be any type of life at all. If it's microbial then I would agree that aliens almost certainly exist. If it's intelligent life similar to our own, then I would refer you to my post made earlier – that our own existence is more or less a fluke and it is not destined to be on this planet, or any other.

The OP was very well-written; concise, engaging, good sentence structure. Part of writing is being able to tie everything together and present it in a manner that compels you to think. And OP does that very well. So you don't agree with the content...lots of folks don't. That doesn't have any bearing on whether or not something is well-written. It just means if you don't like the topic, go read a different one.

For a start, there is no definition of 'alien'

Sure there is:

Full Definition of ALIEN

1
a : belonging or relating to another person, place, or thing : strange
b : relating, belonging, or owing allegiance to another country or government : foreign
c : exotic 1
2
: differing in nature or character typically to the point of incompatibility
— alien·ly adverb

ALIEN

Anything that is not indigenous to this planet is by definition, alien. It doesn't exist here, doesn't come from here, doesn't conform to the laws of science as we know it, cannot be identified as something that we've seen before...it's alien.

differing in nature or character typically to the point of incompatibility

Things/occurences on Mars are not going to fit nicely into a little box that we can just file away. Why? It's a completely alien environment, which is why it's being explored in the first place. And unless you're a Martian and know everything there is to know about the planet, it's alien to you just like everyone else here on Earth.

Most people believe there is life beyond this solar system, in fact only a small minority think this is the only planet harbouring life in the universe. However, there are other factors that determine people's beliefs about extraterrestrial life, not least, how did they find us and how did they get here?

They can't find us from our transmissions as even the most powerful radio transmitters decay into background radiation after about 20LY. Apart from a random fluke by a passing drone there is no other way to tell this planet is inhabited from a distance.

But let's say they did. How then did they get here in good time? Even at light speed they ran the risk that our civilisation could have gone extinct by the time they arrived, if they were coming from another galaxy, or even from the other side of ours. To have the level of technology that would take I will assume something about their craft; they don't make a noise and they don't have lights. Both of these transmissions use energy that must be extremely precious. Any why would they need lights with that level of technology? They have light speed travel but they can't see?

All stories of alien visitation have massive logic errors that only a human would make.

originally posted by: AnuTyr
a reply to: ZetaRediculian

People lieing diverts from the people who have experience. The wolf is real. Funny thing is, The alien i saw showed my friend and i one of its veried shapeshifted forms which was a large blacker than pitch black wolf with no eyes or interior detail really. Looked like a 3-D outline of a shadow impossibly black. Well it's not really impossible since i saw it. But in terms of just a black room. It would have a clear outline in a room with no light. It was pretty Trippy, Or psychedelic if you want to define Trippy as such. I wasn't on drugs and my friend i was with was having a psychotic nervious breakdown. Now he is an alcoholic.

Aliens are serious buisness.

I certainly don't want to discount your personal experiences. I think that people who are producing or elaborating on stories under hypnosis conducted by researchers with agendas are also diverting from understanding the phenomenon.

a reply to: tigertatzen

Ha! I'm not going to discuss semantics (or indeed grammar) with you, regardless of how much I'd like to, but that story was not well written or argued.

Suffice it to say, that if I were to make up a story like this it would be infinitely more believable.

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

originally posted by: Emerys
a reply to: Legman


So 70,000 annual reports of UFO sightings are not evidence?

No, they are not. Most of those are misidentifactions, and the remaining few that are actually 'unknowns' are not conclusive. If there were actual, conclusive evidence, it would be on every television station and the front page of every newspaper on the planet.

Most the remaining 'unknown' are alien spacecrafts. People have seen and interacted with these alien beings. You seem to conveniently forget that.

Oh yeah, nevermind... they're all lying, ill or mistaken. Sure...



From 1:17 (ignore the subtitles).

There, proved.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: enlightenedservant

That would be like saying the mice don't exist until the moment you notice them

I guess I need to get more specific. I'm talking about mice that come inside my house and stay for the winter. I usually expect them late September into October. These are real sneaky critters that can get into the tiniest openings and you really don't notice them unless you know what to look for

Hehe, I think you made my earlier point in regards to the topic of this thread.

We can't say aliens don't exist just because we don't recognize them or their technologies. Because we simply won't notice them unless we know what to look for.

As a species, we're just beginning to understand physics & the workings of the universe. So it's a bit preposterous for us to think we already understand enough to know where or how to look for signs of life elsewhere. We just discovered the ecosystems around hydrothermal vents less than a century ago, and they've been on Earth long before humans existed!

Also, I was just pointing out how elusive mice can be. Most people don't even notice them unless they get too comfortable or make a mistake.

originally posted by: AnuTyr
a reply to: ZetaRediculian

answers.yahoo.com...

answers.yahoo.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I wrote my experiences here if you are interested in reading them. My first experience happened almost 6 years ago, Since it was in July and its not exactly july yet which is why i said it was almost 6 years ago.
Instead of going to mufon, I just wrote them there just cuz. In hindsight. I should of probably wrote it to Mufon. But the reason why i didnt is because i met one of the directors of Mufon and he was kinda a cheeseball so i decided not to. Dude was trying to tell me what i was seeing was a being in the 5th dimension as if he cannot concieve this creature i saw was from another planet. Not some rip in the sky to some other universe.... now thinking about it. Mufon would of totally desicrated my experience with a bunch of Archon like Gnosis bullshot. Enjoy my archived experience lol. I cant tell the other experiences because it's weirder because i used biblical crap and well. I'm not going to really elaborate. Maybe il post it one day but for now. This experience will do.

The punctuation on your ATS original post makes it impossible to read. Could you sometime create a new thread and develop your story in a more readable way?

a reply to: enlightenedservant

We can't say aliens don't exist just because we don't recognize them or their technologies. Because we simply won't notice them unless we know what to look for.

That is also my point. But the ONLY way to know that the mice are not in my house is because I do know what to look for. They have been identified. There very well may be aliens flying around not leaving a trace and blending in with our imaginations. They are not known. I have no way to know if they exist. cant do much with that. Same as if they aren't there.

a reply to: 321Go

Ha! I'm not going to discuss semantics (or indeed grammar) with you, regardless of how much I'd like to, but that story was not well written or argued.

Suffice it to say, that if I were to make up a story like this it would be infinitely more believable.

But you see...it's not a story. If you were expecting story time then that may account for why you cannot recognize an informative and engaging invitation for intelligent discussion when you see one. He's compiling research data and presenting it for discussion. Like a power-point presentation with discussion afterward. He's not making up anything. There are however, "made up" stories on the site. I believe they are posted in the fiction section.

I didn't invite you to discuss either semantics or grammar with me. Neither would likely turn out very well for you, so that's probably a smart move. I replied to a comment you made stating that there is no definition for "alien", letting you know that with all of your self-proclaimed skill at storytelling you seemed to have forgotten how to use a dictionary. Just a kind reminder. It's always helpful when mocking another person's writing skills to at least attempt to get a grasp on the language yourself first. Otherwise, you just end up looking foolish. So it was my good deed for the day. I'm a humanitarian like that. Have a lovely evening.

originally posted by: JackHill

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

originally posted by: Emerys
a reply to: Legman


So 70,000 annual reports of UFO sightings are not evidence?

No, they are not. Most of those are misidentifactions, and the remaining few that are actually 'unknowns' are not conclusive. If there were actual, conclusive evidence, it would be on every television station and the front page of every newspaper on the planet.

Most the remaining 'unknown' are alien spacecrafts. People have seen and interacted with these alien beings. You seem to conveniently forget that.

Oh yeah, nevermind... they're all lying, ill or mistaken. Sure...

From 1:17 (ignore the subtitles).

There, proved.

*sigh*
Again, you've proved nothing.

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

originally posted by: JackHill

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

originally posted by: Emerys
a reply to: Legman


So 70,000 annual reports of UFO sightings are not evidence?

No, they are not. Most of those are misidentifactions, and the remaining few that are actually 'unknowns' are not conclusive. If there were actual, conclusive evidence, it would be on every television station and the front page of every newspaper on the planet.

Most the remaining 'unknown' are alien spacecrafts. People have seen and interacted with these alien beings. You seem to conveniently forget that.

Oh yeah, nevermind... they're all lying, ill or mistaken. Sure...

From 1:17 (ignore the subtitles).

There, proved.

*sigh*
Again, you've proved nothing.

We read your explanations about the incident. Please, we are all eyes.