Aliens exist: Here is the proof

originally posted by: moebius


So he lied about being unconscious, but the rest of the story is true...

So he didn't knew they're being taped, so he lied because... because ... well.

Try once again.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: JackHill

Let me tell you what I think: you overthink things too much. They saw what they saw, period.

Not necessarily

It's the most reasonable conclusion considering all the facts. Just because what they saw isn't recognized within our society doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I bet if they had seen a couple of guys smuggling drugs that will react trying to get them when spotted, no even the sheriff will consider put the poor guys on a room to tape them just to be sure they're weren't making it up.

Prejudices, plain prejudices.

originally posted by: admirethedistance

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: moebius

So he lied about being unconscious, but the rest of the story is true...

I didn't say he lied about being unconscious I said he now says he was awake during the encounter and that Charles Hickson told him to say he'd passed out because he didn't want to talk about it , maybe that's true ... I don't know , and neither do you.

No, but if he lied about one aspect of the story, that pretty much destroys any credibility the rest of his story may have had.

No, it doesn't.

Listen the secret tape. They're still shocked and talking about the event. He didn't claim he DIDN'T saw the beings and the ship, he just says he didn't passed out. 'First the mouth was a hole, late a slit, they're lying! they're lying!' Nope.

a reply to: JackHill

So he didn't knew they're being taped, so he lied because... because ... well.

I'm looking at the transcript of the tape and he does say "I passed out" and there is no indication of him saying that he made that part up on advice from his friend. But then he says he didn't pass out in the latter interview. He may not be lying but both can't be true. He could be remembering incorrectly or he may not have realized he passed out...if that makes sense. Its an important piece of the puzzle. There is certainly a lot of dynamics going on

a reply to: JackHill

It's the most reasonable conclusion considering all the facts

Well that really depends on who you talk to and what you consider facts. Based on the facts I have seen, there is probably more than enough documented psychological phenomena to account for this story. Even so, I admit its impossible to know for sure what happened. You could try presenting the case to the psych department at your local university and see what they think is the most reasonable explanation. I would be impressed if any of them would be willing to entertain the reality of it.

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

You could try presenting the case to the psych department at your local university and see what they think is the most reasonable explanation

On a related note it is possible they may have been victims of MK Ultra , coincidentally MK Ultra was officially wound up in 1973.

a reply to: gortex

On a related note it is possible they may have been victims of MKUltra , coincidentally it was officially wound up in 1973.

Who knows. What makes you think that's a possibility? I dont know much about MKUltra.

Ah, MK-Ultra....The conspiracy theorist's safety net...Caught in a lie? Can't answer questions? Story just not making sense? "MK-ULTRA".

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

MK Ultra was one of those super secret CIA programs where they used citizens as lab rates in mind control experiments , the lab rats weren't always aware they were lab rats.

a reply to: admirethedistance

Ah, MK-Ultra....The conspiracy theorist's safety net...Caught in a lie? Can't answer questions? Story just not making sense? "MK-ULTRA".

Project MKULTRA (or MK-ULTRA) was a secret CIA program to research mind control and chemical weapons/interrogation tools via the use of drugs such as heroin, morphine, MDMA, mescaline, psilocybin, scopolamine, marijuana, alcohol, sodium pentothal, ergine, and most famously '___'.Started in 1953 by then CIA director Allen Dulles, the MKULTRA project dosed thousands of suspecting (such as Ken Kesey[wp]) and unsuspecting people, including foreign nationals, with drugs in an effort to find either an interrogation or mind control weapon.
rationalwiki.org...

We don't know axactly what they did as unsurprisingly they destroyed most of the documents regarding the project.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: ZetaRediculian

MK Ultra was one of those super secret CIA programs where they used citizens as lab rates in mind control experiments , the lab rats weren't always aware they were lab rats.

a reply to: admirethedistance

Ah, MK-Ultra....The conspiracy theorist's safety net...Caught in a lie? Can't answer questions? Story just not making sense? "MK-ULTRA".

Project MKULTRA (or MK-ULTRA) was a secret CIA program to research mind control and chemical weapons/interrogation tools via the use of drugs such as heroin, morphine, MDMA, mescaline, psilocybin, scopolamine, marijuana, alcohol, sodium pentothal, ergine, and most famously '___'.Started in 1953 by then CIA director Allen Dulles, the MKULTRA project dosed thousands of suspecting (such as Ken Kesey[wp]) and unsuspecting people, including foreign nationals, with drugs in an effort to find either an interrogation or mind control weapon.
rationalwiki.org...

We don't know axactly what they did as unsurprisingly they destroyed most of the documents regarding the project.

Nothing like mind controll on countless Americans to put the fear of god in them and oh yeah there are no aliens according to big brother because he knows what is best for everyone to believe. Just do what we are told and dont think about life beyond what we are fed on the boob tube.

a reply to: gortex

such as Ken Kesey

Yeah, thanks for that MK....
Gretchen Fetchin thanks you too.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: JackHill

It's the most reasonable conclusion considering all the facts

Based on the facts I have seen, there is probably more than enough documented psychological phenomena to account for this story.

Explain your point. Remember, two witnesses.

originally posted by: JackHill

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: JackHill

It's the most reasonable conclusion considering all the facts

Based on the facts I have seen, there is probably more than enough documented psychological phenomena to account for this story.

Explain your point. Remember, two witnesses.

Was one passed out?

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
a reply to: Wolfenz

I could care less about old newspapers that published 3rd hand accounts of UFO sightings. Chances are I've already seen them anyway. They are stories;They are interesting anecdotes; But they are proof of nothing.

You poor guy...no evidence is good enough for you, but you're always here.

Why come here ?

Just to make unrealistic demands of proof for something you don't believe to be real?

Surely you know that no one here will ever provide you with your outrageous standard of proof. In fact, the proof you demand can't be provided in an internet chatroom, right?

Well, whatever floats your boat. Or flying saucer, as it were.

originally posted by: Scdfa

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
a reply to: Wolfenz

I could care less about old newspapers that published 3rd hand accounts of UFO sightings. Chances are I've already seen them anyway. They are stories;They are interesting anecdotes; But they are proof of nothing.

You poor guy...no evidence is good enough for you, but you're always here.

Why come here ?

Just to make unrealistic demands of proof for something you don't believe to be real?

Surely you know that no one here will ever provide you with your outrageous standard of proof. In fact, the proof you demand can't be provided in an internet chatroom, right?

Well, whatever floats your boat. Or flying saucer, as it were.

Or when proof is given it is ignored, like this thread with the flying saucer in the NASA moon footage:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'm very thankful for the few we have on this website like yourself who can inject a dose of reality into the issue of the EBE interaction with earth, instead of those armchair quarterbacks and their cherished "beliefs".

BTW, I sent you a couple of messages.

Exactly correct.

Anyone who thinks Snowden got his hands on the really important information is fooling themselves.

"Gee, Snowden has everything and there's no UFO stuff at all! So no aliens."

It's almost as if these nitwits forget that the lead investigator for the Air Force Project Bluebook determined that some UFOs were likely extraterrestrial.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: 321Go

The alien stuff, as far as security classifications, are way above everything else, including designs and blueprints for atomic bombs and other weapons.
They are NOT on any database, nor any computer network.

Those records are "eyes only" meaning only one copy of a document in some super secure records storage, and they aren't connected to any computer network.

If Snowden had access to "Everything" then we would be seeing documents pertaining to Special access programs and black ops of all types and scopes. But those records share the same security problems, and they simply are not in any database.

Is military has somethING called The Secret Internet Protocol Router Network (SIPRNet). It's there version of the Internet and can only be accesed from secured stations. If the government knew anything about aliens it would be there. And no people like snowden can't get access to the network only cleared operators who work in government. This is not access they would give contractors they have front door they can use to pass emails.

You are absolutely right, good post.

a reply to: SuspiciousTom

Why is it first assumption that anything other worldly would be hidden. Because you can find no proof you jump to say the government hides it from us,

Is there no end to what you don't know?
I'm not sure why you would come to a topic that you know so little about in the first place, but your arrogance is founded on ignorance, at least in this post.

You should look up what happened when Senator Barry Goldwater demanded access to a military facility in his state to examine UFO wreckage. That should answer your question.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: 321Go

The alien stuff, as far as security classifications, are way above everything else, including designs and blueprints for atomic bombs and other weapons.
They are NOT on any database, nor any computer network.

Those records are "eyes only" meaning only one copy of a document in some super secure records storage, and they aren't connected to any computer network.

If Snowden had access to "Everything" then we would be seeing documents pertaining to Special access programs and black ops of all types and scopes. But those records share the same security problems, and they simply are not in any database.

Is military has somethING called The Secret Internet Protocol Router Network (SIPRNet). It's there version of the Internet and can only be accesed from secured stations. If the government knew anything about aliens it would be there. And no people like snowden can't get access to the network only cleared operators who work in government. This is not access they would give contractors they have front door they can use to pass emails.

Absolutely NOT

I'm just sure. Alien data is not on any military network.

I worked in classified programs on Kirtland AFB for Sandia Labs which is on base there. They have other labs besides there, but the point is, the networks you are mentioning do not have a lot of things on them, they are need to know only and the average Joe with access to those networks don't have need to know. Alien data isn't on any network ANYWHERE like I said before.
Thanks for the giggles.

PS What makes you think the government knows everything that can be known anyway? Government doesn't know anything about most SAP programs anyways.When President Carter demanded from then CIA director Bush, data on aliens, he said "you don't have a need to know" and he wasn't told anything.
Besides that, all the really juicy insane stuff that are the substance of special access programs are so highly classified, that even their level of security is classified. No copies are allowed, no paper trail, no digital trail of any kind PERIOD. The very idea that you think something like that would be on the SIPRNet is beyond hilarity.

Great post. Don't ever leave, dude. You're one of a handful of people in here who knows what he's talking about.

originally posted by: JackHill

But the sheriff was somehow smarter, so he brings the two men together into a wired room and waited for the inevitable: they'll expose themselves as hoaxers after speaking with each other. Easy indeed! Oh... wait.

Have you even listened to the actual 30:38 taped interview with Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker? After reading your responses, it seems maybe you haven't. They were not brought into a wired room with hidden microphones and left alone to see if they were lying. The sheriff recorded the interview of both men which lasted 26:08. Towards the end of the interview, he asks if either men want coffee and gets up and walks out of the room with the recorder still on. For 4:30, Parker and Hickson just sit there and talk back and forth with each other about this incident, then decide to get up and leave. You can hear the exact same office background noise as when they are being interviewed, so they're in the same spot and haven't been led into another room with a secret microphone.

I don't know if anyone can remember tape recorder technology in the early 70's, but it's hardly a small unnoticeable device. Their voices are clearly heard, so the mic couldn't be far away. Having been interviewed for almost 30 minutes, it's reasonable to consider that either one, or both men, could have noticed that they were being recorded. Which would logically explain why they sat there another 4:30 alone, talking back and forth with each other after the interview, for no reason. One of the last things that Hickson said was- "What are we waitin' on, I gotta go tell Blanche..." So apparently they we free to leave, but decided to sit there and talk.

Being part of the entire interview, this "secret" 4:30 recording you keep bringing up, might not have been so secret after all.