Aliens exist: Here is the proof

originally posted by: tigertatzen
a reply to: 321Go

Ha! I'm not going to discuss semantics (or indeed grammar) with you, regardless of how much I'd like to, but that story was not well written or argued.

Suffice it to say, that if I were to make up a story like this it would be infinitely more believable.

But you see...it's not a story. If you were expecting story time then that may account for why you cannot recognize an informative and engaging invitation for intelligent discussion when you see one. He's compiling research data and presenting it for discussion. Like a power-point presentation with discussion afterward. He's not making up anything. There are however, "made up" stories on the site. I believe they are posted in the fiction section.

I didn't invite you to discuss either semantics or grammar with me. Neither would likely turn out very well for you, so that's probably a smart move. I replied to a comment you made stating that there is no definition for "alien", letting you know that with all of your self-proclaimed skill at storytelling you seemed to have forgotten how to use a dictionary. Just a kind reminder. It's always helpful when mocking another person's writing skills to at least attempt to get a grasp on the language yourself first. Otherwise, you just end up looking foolish. So it was my good deed for the day. I'm a humanitarian like that. Have a lovely evening.

I always have lovely evenings, but thanks.

I'm sure you'd make a great discussion partner for the use of language, but as we're talking about it, of course there's a generic definition for the word 'alien'. I thought that was you being facetious but it seems you were being serious! The story was specific about aliens, but did not state what his definition of an alien is. If he was talking about microbial life then I would agree with him – it's almost certain there is at least that. If he's talking about some form of 'little green man' with space ships I would then question his proof based on the way he's presented it as proof, because it's not.

For a start, he's skipped over 3 billion years of development of life on our planet and jumped straight into the 19thC. To assume that any other life would take a similar path is extremely speculative to the point of naivety. Human life on this planet has been so brief as to be geologically insignificant so far. It's by no means destined that a creature like us would evolve on this planet – or any other. In fact, it's infanitely more unlikely. It's almost certain that given a rerun of life on our planet it would not turn out even remotely similar to what we see now. Multicellular life may not have even started at all.

As we're now assuming life elsewhere is similar to ours, let's use your arms as a timeline of our planet. If you stretch out your arms side to side, working from left arm to right, the first signs of single-celled life started at your left wrist. It stayed that way, slowly evolving, developing RNA & DNA, refining duplication, etc until you get to just before your right wrist. There was nothing complicated for the entire length of both your arms. Multicellular life, cellular communes, algae, simple jellyfish and worms occupy about half your palm. What we recognise as animals then appear. We have to compress fish, amphibians, reptiles, dinosaurs, plants and everything we've read about into the rest of your hand and fingers. If you now take a nail file to your longest finger, with a couple scrapes you will wipe out the whole of human history. We are insignificant, geologically. Not only that, we are lucky to be here at all. It took a massive (non-destined) extinction event to clear the way for our subsequent development.

The likelihood of that, or something like it, happening elsewhere is extremely slim. However, I'm willing to believe it has or will happen, and even if it's happened somewhere else right now, we have no idea where that is or how we'd find each other, and when found, shake hands. It's almost impossible, most certainly improbable.

Believers will believe, despite any explanation or description of any relevant data. It's their prerogative and I'm not taking that right away, I'm just explaining that intelligent life is not guaranteed anywhere, not even close.

a reply to: 321Go

well yeah, that world wide wipe out was made so that our colonies on Earth can bloom. That way there can be frequent harvests.

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

originally posted by: JackHill

originally posted by: AnuTyr
a reply to: JackHill

i know, i was just rambling for the sake of rambling. Nice to meet another beliver by the way.

Thanks, but I'm not a 'believer'. This is not religion. These are facts that people chose to ignore. Sad, but true.

You're kidding, right?

Not at all. Why do you people just ignore these cases is beyond me. It's like you're playing a character, or just like to engage in tedious discussions.

Still waiting for your explanation on the Pascagoula incident.

people from other planets may exist, op…

but from what i have found, on this planet: probably not.

yt:Unholy Communion: The Fourth Kind Unveiled - Joseph Jordan and Guy Malone
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“Human beings are under the control of a strange force that bends them in absurd ways, forcing them to play a role in a bizarre game of deception.”
--Dr. Jacques Vallee
“The UFOnauts and the demons of past days are probably identical.”
--Dr. Pierre Guerin
“The UFO phenomenon simply does not behave like extraterrestrial visitors. It actually molds itself in order to fit a given culture.”
--John Ankenberg
“One theory that can no longer be taken seriously is that UFOs are interstellar spaceships.”
--Sir Arthur C. Clarke
“The evidence suggests that this is a program.”
--Prof. David Jacobs, Temple Univ.

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science is propelled y the supernatural, at God's discretion.

Descartes
"...on the night of September 16th, Descartes had a dream and in this dream an angel appeared to him, this is documented by his own hand, and the angel said to Descartes, "The conquest of nature is to be achieved through measure and number." And that revelation lay the basis for modern science. Rene Descartes is the founder of the distinction between the res verins and the res extensia, the founder of modern science, the founder of the scientific method that created the philosophical engines that created the modern world. How many scientists, working at their workbenches, understand that an angel chartered modern science?..."

Other scientific innovations that originated in dream inspirations are Kekule's molecular structure of benzene, Mendelev's periodic table by atomic weight, Howe's sewing machine, and even in part Einstein's theory of relativity.

a reply to: tanka418

It would just be data, unless there is a hypothesis behind it, then it would just be a hypothesis. To become a theory you need multiple "proven" hypotheses.

Oxford definition:

Hypothesis: A suggested explanation for an observable phenomenon or prediction of a possible causal correlation among multiple phenomena.

Theory: In science, a theory is a well-substantiated, unifying explanation for a set of verified, proven hypotheses.

One is well substantiated and the other is not.

“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My mother taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”
--Nikola Tesla

“(modern science) was born out of a Christian worldview.”
--J. Robert Oppenheimer “On Science an Culture”, Encounter, Oct. 1962

originally posted by: tanka418

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

originally posted by: JackHill

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

originally posted by: JackHill

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

originally posted by: Emerys
a reply to: Legman


So 70,000 annual reports of UFO sightings are not evidence?

No, they are not. Most of those are misidentifactions, and the remaining few that are actually 'unknowns' are not conclusive. If there were actual, conclusive evidence, it would be on every television station and the front page of every newspaper on the planet.

Most the remaining 'unknown' are alien spacecrafts. People have seen and interacted with these alien beings. You seem to conveniently forget that.

Oh yeah, nevermind... they're all lying, ill or mistaken. Sure...

From 1:17 (ignore the subtitles).

There, proved.

*sigh*
Again, you've proved nothing.

We read your explanations about the incident. Please, we are all eyes.

Do you not understand how remarkably unreliable witness testimony is? Or that it in no way constitutes proof of anything? I thought that point had been made enough already in this thread....

Question: If I were to design an experiment, and perform said experiment. Dutifully recording everything, and publish that data...What would it be called?

A miracle.

originally posted by: AnuTyr
a reply to: tanka418

if you are trying to compare this to aliens, then the difference is in your equipment and how they record.

Pray-tell, How do you record a species of Alien that can sap electronics of power. Teleport, And is never to far away from a spaceship that can Alter space and time? Do you plan on bringing a poloroid camera? Because that's about the only thing that will work, you know. Should you capture the right shot before they cloak or teleport out of view of the camera. Or they could just let you take a picture, Then abduct you and the camera and you would just be another missing person.

Oh gee, I don't know...empirical observation? You know that component of the ole scientific method?

And, there is absolutely no need for ET's spacecraft to alter space or time...

And no, equipment isn't an issue here, it is those who are expecting "miracle evidence"...those who expect there to be "definitive proof", or "beyond reasonable doubt". These people have unrealistic expectations of the available data, and typically refuse to accept what they can have. The old cry "no evidence" is typical of them, and of course; as they will not accept anything viable as "data" then there is no data...for them.

There is however, a plethora of "lesser data" which if collected and analyzed may just add up to the proof everyone seeks.

For instance; the OP attempted to use simple probability, logic and common sense to prove his point. The reality is that the probabilities are so great that his point actually does constitute "proof", simply because of the outrageous probabilities involved. Our skeptic corps can not accept this, even though IF those "odds" were taken to a professional book maker; he wouldn't touch that with anything...because it would be considered a "sure thing".

Even the most jaded and skeptical of scientists do not argue the point, because they know that life absolutely must exist outside of Earth...and that opinion doesn't even take into account the evidence of life outside of Earth...which again is plentiful.

Anyway the point I was trying to make is that this "witness testimony" is the same as any experiment report...sorry "Admirethedistance" you got that one wrong. This ignoring of "witness testimony" is yet another way the rabid pseudo skeptic attempts to ignore and discount the validity of viable data. It is this behavior that has stalled ufology and made this a virtually impossible thing to investigate.

And, I wish they would let me take a picture...because they wouldn't have the balls to abduct me!

a reply to: sirChill

You shouldn't try so hard to be so clever...it doesn't work well...


Stick with the simple, well known...and you will always come out ahead...

And, yes, it would be data...another word for evidence...just as testimony is.


You stated that as IF I didn't already know...

a reply to: Emerys

"What we have here is a failure to communicate." Your hypothesis is wonderful and well meaning, however, it is lacking verifiable documentation. Even those that claim to have been abducted and have recollections are only giving information they themselves can not verify.

This not to say they do not believe it happened or that it actually did happen, but the facts surrounding those abductions are open to subjective opinions. They can not be called proof, they can be called testimonials.

I do believe there are 1,000,000,000 of other civilizations in the vastness of the Universe and I do believe there are those far more advanced than us and I do believe they have the technology necessary to travel at warp speeds and I do believe they have been visiting our planet Earth for millions of years and I do believe that they have contacted us often and I do believe they have left us proof and I do believe we ourselves are proof.

However, the difference between believing and having empirical and quantifiable proof is that one requires tangible evidence and one does not. Sometimes believing is enough, sometimes it is not. Either way, the argument will consistently be challenged by those that do not believe or are to arrogant to look at theoretical science and the numerous possible and probable accounts that surround this extremely volatile subject.

Religion is something that we have the same problem with and that has only been around for the past 12,000 years or so by most accounts. There are over 4 billion years to account for in the history of this planet and we can really only go back 12,000 years. Much has been overlooked and ignored right here on Earth.

I appreciate your effort, but unfortunately, whatever proof does exist is not going to be plastered over the news, it will be hidden and kept tightly sealed and any accounts will be shilled and trolled to death to the point they will be laughable accounts. MIB do really exists for a reason, they have to make sure that this information is highly guarded, because in the wrong hands it would be disastrous.

originally posted by: JackHill

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

originally posted by: JackHill

originally posted by: AnuTyr
a reply to: JackHill

i know, i was just rambling for the sake of rambling. Nice to meet another beliver by the way.

Thanks, but I'm not a 'believer'. This is not religion. These are facts that people chose to ignore. Sad, but true.

You're kidding, right?

Not at all. Why do you people just ignore these cases is beyond me. It's like you're playing a character, or just like to engage in tedious discussions.

Still waiting for your explanation on the Pascagoula incident.

You're going to be waiting a while then, because I have far better things to do than try to explain somebody's story. If you come up with any actual evidence, however, please let me know, and I'll gladly drop whatever I'm doing to look at it.

a reply to: tanka418

Anu's assumption (not proof, as such) makes perfect and valid sense only if you start with the assumption that life like ours exists elsewhere. To me, that's quite a stretch.

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

originally posted by: JackHill

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

originally posted by: JackHill

originally posted by: AnuTyr
a reply to: JackHill

i know, i was just rambling for the sake of rambling. Nice to meet another beliver by the way.

Thanks, but I'm not a 'believer'. This is not religion. These are facts that people chose to ignore. Sad, but true.

You're kidding, right?

Not at all. Why do you people just ignore these cases is beyond me. It's like you're playing a character, or just like to engage in tedious discussions.

Still waiting for your explanation on the Pascagoula incident.

You're going to be waiting a while then, because I have far better things to do than try to explain somebody's story. If you come up with any actual evidence, however, please let me know, and I'll gladly drop whatever I'm doing to look at it.

Typical. There's no alien tissue or spaceship part, there's no case. Bull#. I know it, you know it, everybody knows it. Try again.

a reply to: Soulece

Did you ask them to make a distinction of whether Santa Claus is the one people dress up as and go to their house, aka fake one, or a real one?

originally posted by: tanka418
a reply to: sirChill

You shouldn't try so hard to be so clever...it doesn't work well...


Stick with the simple, well known...and you will always come out ahead...

And, yes, it would be data...another word for evidence...just as testimony is.


You stated that as IF I didn't already know...

You don't seem to, but that's really just a hypothesis.

Another distinction should be made between belief and testimony, if you ask them, do you believe in the Tooth Fairy and they say yes, then that's a belief, not a testimony. Now if you ask them whether they've seen the Tooth Fairy and they say yes also, then at this point, you have to look at the psychology make-up of the child.

Anyway, where's your source that hundred of thousands of kids have claimed that they've seen him?

originally posted by: oletimer

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

I just think people wouldn't beable to cope to a superior intelligence. Because it's already he're.

Where specifically?

It Aint in D.C..
I can Guarantee that.
LOL

On topic i'm betting the folks up there know a lot more about aliens than we are told.

originally posted by: ffx6554
Another distinction should be made between belief and testimony, if you ask them, do you believe in the Tooth Fairy and they say yes, then that's a belief, not a testimony. Now if you ask them whether they've seen the Tooth Fairy and they say yes also, then at this point, you have to look at the psychology make-up of the child.

Anyway, where's your source that hundred of thousands of kids have claimed that they've seen him?

Well said. The comparisons some people make here are just hilarious. They try so hard to deny the reality of alien contact; I wish they could put some of that energy into trying to help us all to understand better this phenomena.

I can't even find the source that says that hundred of thousands of kids believe in him. If let's say later, for some reasons, certain sites pop up and claim a certain statistics, then you have to ask these kids how he looks like, etc. See, it's very difficult to make up something. There's a reason you have sites that give a consistent description of Bigfoot, but not Santa Claus.

a reply to: Emerys

There is a very good possibility that the deciders have already made contact with Aliens. Voyager 1 or Voyager 2 could have, or any other probes or even our rovers on Mars. Technology has advanced so quickly that one really has to wonder.

I mean think about it? We are all now carrying around super computers in our pockets, information is being passed billions and billions of times faster now, it's crazy how quickly it's all happening. In just 10 years, we have rapidly advanced.

Maybe they are slowly releasing technology to us, or maybe the Aliens brought us here to colonize the planet, or maybe even other Alien humans did? We could be an experiment, or here for a reason unknown.

No proof whatsoever about these assumptions, but it sure is fun thinking about it all. One thing is for sure though, the answer to the riddle has absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with some 2000 year old desert fairy tale. ~$heopleNation