Are our rovers truly on Mars?

What hard evidence is there, outside of NASA, that the Mars rovers are actually there?
And not on a military property somewhere on Earth?

Just as Christians try to prove the Bible to be word of God, by using the Bible itself,
I imagine most here will use government space agencies to prove that we are on Mars.

This is not enough, in fact, I am wary of trusting anything coming from NASA, or its counterparts,
at least in areas that are this pivotal.

Most, or all, of the anomalies, can be easily explained if the rover(s) are on Earth.
This then leads into many other complicated questions... Like, 'why would they release such images?', etc.

So, can anyone prove that the rovers are actually on Mars?

a reply to: Psykotik

Just throwing that out there are ya?

a reply to: Psykotik

So, can anyone prove that the rovers are actually on Mars?

Can you prove they are actually on earth?

Oh…

Anyone?

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Psykotik

So, can anyone prove that the rovers are actually on Mars?

Can you prove they are actually on earth?

Oh…

You seem to be willfully missing the point...

If they are not on Mars, then explain the radio signals we receive from them, coming from that direction? Signals, I might add, can be intercepted and heard by anyone with the right equipment. Also, in anticipation of the inevitable, it would not cost much more to send a signal relay station there to "fake them". If you are going to spend that boatload of $$ to send a fake relay station, then why not just send the REAL THING there instead?

Or, does that explanation make too much sense?

a reply to: Psykotik

You seem to be willfully missing the point...

Perhaps because the point is elusive.
Are there truly people on the ISS?

a reply to: Krakatoa

Because a relay station would cost much less then a 'real' mission....

Sorry, not good enough...

originally posted by: Psykotik

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Psykotik

So, can anyone prove that the rovers are actually on Mars?

Can you prove they are actually on earth?

Oh…

You seem to be willfully missing the point…

You could ask these guys…

Lnk

a reply to: Phage

Well, given permed astronaut hair, and chinese space-walk air bubbles, maybe not. I dont know.

I am looking for evidence, not looking to give, or get, personal opinions.

a reply to: Psykotik

Not really....the launch system cost would be the same, and need to be for it to be seen by the public at launch....right? The EDL team(s) would need to be the same, to keep up the hoax, same cost again.
The design and testing of the rover(s) would still need to happen, same cost there.

So, tell me, where are these massive savings in $$ coming from then? Honestly, I would like to hear your thoughts on this, in detail. I'm not being facetious, I am interested.

No, you cannot prove a negative. You can't prove Santa Clause does not exist. It's impossible to prove the Easter Bunny does not exist. If the Rovers are not on Mars, there is no way to prove it.

You can only prove that things do exist, not that they do not.

a reply to: Psykotik

I am looking for evidence, not looking to give, or get, personal opinions.

Then book a ride on the next ship out.

when people land on mars they will find the rovers and there will be the proof.

a reply to: Krakatoa


None of that proves we actually went all the way to mars. Who really knows how the inner workings (of a hoax) would go...

And I dont understand what you mean by "savings in $$ coming from". Could you reframe the question?

originally posted by: Krakatoa
If they are not on Mars, then explain the radio signals we receive from them, coming from that direction? Signals, I might add, can be intercepted and heard by anyone with the right equipment. Also, in anticipation of the inevitable, it would not cost much more to send a signal relay station there to "fake them". If you are going to spend that boatload of $$ to send a fake relay station, then why not just send the REAL THING there instead?

Or, does that explanation make too much sense?

Radio signals can be easily faked, even direction!

originally posted by: taoistguy
when people land on mars they will find the rovers and there will be the proof.

And then they will say those folks are on a sound stage somewhere in the Southwest.

< rolls eyes >

a reply to: Phage


Huh? Can you give me evidence, or not?

All rover information bottlenecks @ NASA.

Are you a firm believer in NASA, Phage?

a reply to: VoidHawk

Radio signals can be easily faked, even direction!

How would one go about faking a radio signal from the direction of Mars?

originally posted by: Psykotik
a reply to: Krakatoa


None of that proves we actually went all the way to mars. Who really knows how the inner workings (of a hoax) would go...

And I dont understand what you mean by "savings in $$ coming from". Could you reframe the question?

You said sending a relay station would cost less. I would like to know how you came up with that hypothesis when the total cost of the mission would likely still be the same (for the most part). Unless, you know of some special way to save $$ that I did not mention.