In 180 Seconds You Will Be Voting For Bernie Sanders

a reply to: xuenchen

He really offers no actual plans and remedies.

So - what do you have to offer?
What plan or remedy?

Two seconds into Google pretty much dashed any interest I have in Bernie Sanders...

Bernie's Pervy Essay

originally posted by: ProfessorChaos
a reply to: introvert

I see your point, but to if he came out and openly proclaimed that he would be a dictator, would that make him more palatable than the others?

I don't disagree with everything the guy says, but the things that I do disagree with, are fairly big topics for me.

Sometimes, he just feels like he wants to carbon copy the style of government that they have in European countries, and quite frankly, I don't want that.

Claiming to be a dictator and admitting to being a socialist are not on the same level, in my opinion. But both would be commended for honesty.

You have to support those that exemplify what you believe in. Sanders may not be your cup of tea. Then by all means support someone else. I'm not afraid of what they have in Europe. In fact, I think it doesn't go far enough.

I'm voting for Rand Paul and I don't think my mind will be changed by Nov.

3 minutes eh?

Must have been how we ended up with 'hope and change'.

What is it with people that idolize politicians ?

All they have to do is whisper sweet nothings in to your ears, make empty promises, and deliver nothing.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Excallibacca
In one sentence, straight off of his campaign website, I will never vote for Bernie Sanders:

KEY ACTIONS
Introduced the gold standard for climate change legislation with Sen. Barbara Boxer to tax carbon and methane emissions.

Why is that? We know Climate change is real, most of the scientists in the world are telling us that. Google it. That gives me even more reason to vote for him. He believes in Science.

No kidding the climate is changing.

Has been for over 5 billion years.

So what's Sandars solution ?

TAX !!!!!

LOLLLLLLL

I have already seen this channel for the past 8 years time to 'CHANGE' the channel.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: MystikMushroom

One of Bernie's goals is to overturn Citizens United and get big money out of politics.

berniesanders.com...

Well then ole Bernie actually needs to read the damn thing.

Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, No. 08-205, 558 U.S. 310 (2010), is a U.S. constitutional law case dealing with the regulation of campaign spending by organizations. The United States Supreme Court held that the First Amendment prohibited the government from restricting independent political expenditures by a nonprofit corporation. The principles articulated by the Supreme Court in the case have also been extended to for-profit corporations, labor unions and other associations.

en.wikipedia.org...

Corporate personhood is an American legal concept that a corporation, as a group of people, may be recognized as having some of the same legal rights and responsibilities as an individual. For example, corporations may contract with other parties and sue or be sued in court in the same way as natural persons or unincorporated associations of persons. The doctrine does not hold that corporations are flesh and blood "people" apart from their shareholders, executives, and managers, nor does it grant to corporations all of the rights of citizens.[1]

en.wikipedia.org...

Woo hoo!

I am gonna love unions not buying elections.

Even more so the fact that people can no longer SUE them big bad evil corporations.

People actually need to READ That decision, and the also need to actually read what rights corporations were' given'.

Sure as hell not as the left, and Sanders are telling people.

originally posted by: lovebeck
Two seconds into Google pretty much dashed any interest I have in Bernie Sanders...

Bernie's Pervy Essay

I'm not surprised that in 2 seconds what you come back with is something sourced from nypost.com. You should get a better source than one that is rated as bad as that.

According to a survey conducted by Pace University in 2004, the Post was rated the least-credible major news outlet in New York, and the only news outlet to receive more responses calling it "not credible" than credible (44% not credible to 39% credible).
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a reply to: neo96

The point is to stop anyone from buying elections. Unions, Corporations, etc.

Citizens United can be repealed without effecting whether or not you can sue a Corp. also since Person hood would still be in place.

I do agree that others should read it for themselves though. If they would they wouldn't fall victim to believing some of the things you just said.

originally posted by: eeyipes
Sounds nice, but yelling "this is wrong, this needs to happen, this can happen" doesn't cut it anymore.

I want the nuts and bolts of HOW. If you can't explain HOW, you got nothing.

I would suggest doing some research then. Find out what he proposes doing, see if you agree and would support some or all of his ideas. He has been speaking out for years - with very solid ideas. But no one can spoon feed you, you have to do the work.

His ideas, and plans are backed up by the experience of other countries, years of experience and effort and a good heart. He is a pragmatist as well with fine political skills.

He is talking specifcs and not in sound bites and 'buzz words' that nobody understands (and insiders laugh about).

"Contempt, prior to Investigation" will not solve anyting. You may not like 80% of his ideas, but what if the 20% could become real? Would this country, the USA, be a better place? or not?

originally posted by: EyeKyu
I'm voting for Rand Paul and I don't think my mind will be changed by Nov.

Why?

Just one 'rational' reason.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: neo96

The point is to stop anyone from buying elections. Unions, Corporations, etc.

Citizens United can be repealed without effecting whether or not you can sue a Corp. also since Person hood would still be in place.

I do agree that others should read it for themselves though. If they would they wouldn't fall victim to believing some of the things you just said.

Doesn't make a damn bit a difference until the people stop being for sale.

originally posted by: neo96

Doesn't make a damn bit a difference until the people stop being for sale.

Yah, you're absolutely right about that. We could at least make buying them illegal though. Not that it would stop them all from being bought, but at least when they get caught for it there would be repercussions. As it is now, it's perfectly legal to buy them up. That's just crazy.

a reply to: ugmold
"In 180 Seconds You Will Be Voting For Bernie Sanders"
I wouldn't vote for a freaking socialist in 180 years.

originally posted by: MrAverage
a reply to: ugmold
"In 180 Seconds You Will Be Voting For Bernie Sanders"
I wouldn't vote for a freaking socialist in 180 years.

Me either.

Guess they must have missed the past 8 years of the current one in office.

a reply to: neo96

Obama wasn't a socialist. He was an elitist/globalist in socialist clothing. Even that may not fit for him. I'm not sure exactly what he was. He may have just been over his head but a good bullsh*tter. It's hard to tell.

He is right about families where both parents are working and are still struggling to make ends meet. This shouldn't happen. You could say, "Well they could get more education" but it misses the point that we need these workers doing the work they are doing - their jobs are part of the system and we should reward them with a living wage.

The jobs people take at Wal-Mart and McDonalds are honestly not meant for high-school summer jobs anymore. They are not advertised as such. They are advertised as careers. They need to start paying like careers. Of course not as much as a job that requires a master's degree or something, but at least enough to support a family of four while two peope work with little stress.

The way the word socialism gets thrown around...I don't even think you people get what it means...actually, I don't think people get what ANY of the political labels mean...people throw these words around as if they have no meaning whatsoever...politics breeds a gross abuse of language...

a reply to: TheJourney

People aren't educated in what socialism and communism mean, for starters. They are different. Socialism is not that bad. I don't see why we are limited to a two-party system in the U.S., is it because we aren't capable of anything more complex than us-and-them thinking?

a reply to: ugmold

err ok - i cannot vote in the US elections - but i watched it anyway , and all i saw - honest opinion :

a series of complaints about how crap things are and a series of promises that it will be better [ if you elect mr sanders ]

BUT no indication how