Shocking new video shows unarmed Utah man was listening to headphones when killed by police

a reply to: roadgravel

What law was made up on the spot?

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge
a reply to: Woodcarver

Explain this line to me. Ive seen this statement time and time again from Americans and i honestly dont understand it.

Didn't you go to war to protect our freedom?

How is your army fighting thousands of miles away protecting your freedom?

Because all of the rest of the world is against them, clearly.

originally posted by: Hecate666
The police need real men. Cops that can even drive up to people in the ghetto and have a friendly chat with the guys. Instead they are making themselves the enemy by always assuming that everyone is an armed criminal and shooting "just in case". That's not what policing is about.

The police in America don't do policing. They do law enforcement.

originally posted by: peskyhumans

originally posted by: Legman

originally posted by: rockintitz

originally posted by: Legman

originally posted by: Mandroid7
I'm on the fence on this one. Does anyone know the law as far as showing your hands?

He kept his hands in his waistband the whole time.

He didn't pull a gun. Does a gun have to be visible?

Did they guy have enough time to hear him?

Could he understand and comprehend the cop?

Scary Video there!

HE yelled "NAH FOOL" when the police asked him to raise his hands... then his mistake was raising his shirt near the waistband.



RIP....... its a tough thug life...fooo

Do you mean to say that he shouldn't have removed his hands away from his pockets?

Did you see any sign of a weapon?

I didn't. But then again, if it were me, I'd most likely have my day in court.

Buddy, do your family a favor and never be a cop. When you see the "sign" of a weapon... you are dead.

Buddy, do society a favor.... the rest of us want policemen that are not willing to die. We want homes that are not home invaded because of a weak police force... we want our kids to be able to walk from school to home. Do us a favor and think about your beliefs.... because the wide portion of society appreciate cops.

Don't say "the rest of us" because you are certainly not speaking for me. We don't need police forces - the human race has lived most of it's existence without them and we got along just fine without them. The United States didn't have modern day police forces until the Pinkerton Detective Agency was founded in 1850, and they didn't become commonplace until 1890. We have only had them for about half the history of our country (starting from 1776 - though the colonies were present even earlier).

History has proven all you need to be safe is the right to bear arms and Castle Law. Castle Law was common law in most European countries throughout the dark ages and medieval times. Thieves and murderers were not treated well by the masses - there were no police, so the locals took care of them. Yes these were cruel times with lynching, eye for an eye laws, tar and feathering, stocks, gibbets, and public executions, but it worked.

Ah yes... Sharia law. Still in active use in parts of the world.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: PraetorianAZ

I get it,maybe he shouldn't have lost his life because he didn't comply with demands by the officers, but that's not why he got shot--he was shot because we was making aggressive movements

Please elaborate on precisely what an "aggressive movement" is.

originally posted by: Pimpish
a reply to: Legman

We want homes that are not home invaded because of a weak police force...

Hate to break this to you, but the police aren't going to stop a home invasion 99% of the time. All they'll be able to do is an investigation after the fact, like most crimes.

Quite right. You need an armed bear to stop a home invasion. The Americans really need to protect the right to arm bears.

originally posted by: Useurbrain
After reading about 90% of the posts, I can tell that none of you have either had training

Apparently, neither had that police.

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4

originally posted by: Answer the facts nearly always go against you.

in this instance the facts are clear. the fact is, a young man wearing headphones (so maybe like, listening to music?), who was not wanted for any current offence, was shot dead. the fact is, the cop that shot him dead murdered him. the fact is that this happens way too often. the fact is that the police are out of control, unchecked and unpunished for these and similar incidents. the fact is, for you or anyone else to IN ANY WAY defend the actions of this cop indicate to me a psychological disorder.

My neighbour, who is a police here in the UK, came over a while ago to share a pint or two (and chat about football, obviously). I showed him the video. He just shook his head, slowly, and said "amateurs".

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4
Maybe you missed the part about him having a warrant out for his arrest or do you just want to ignore that to demonize cops?

A warrant for his arrest is obviously a perfectly valid reason to kill him.

a reply to: moniker

A warrant that unless has been shown other wise was not even known about from the officer responding.

duplicate

originally posted by: TheWhiteKnight

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4

originally posted by: Answer you need your eyes and ears checked.

i saw and heard what the camera recorded. my hearing is second to none. your judgement is second to reason. i don't think i like you.


(edit to add) scratch that, i just plain dislike you.

All good points.

But should we second guess the authorities? Sane persons do not just walk away when paid killers say they want them to stay put.

That's almost precisely what sane people do. Because of fear. Our first instinct is to flee.

originally posted by: moniker

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: Mandroid7
I'm on the fence on this one. Does anyone know the law as far as showing your hands?

He kept his hands in his waistband the whole time.

He didn't pull a gun. Does a gun have to be visible?

Did the guy have enough time to hear him?

Could he understand english and comprehend the cop?

He looked like a deer in the headlights, he probably would have been shot removing his hands anyway.

Scary Video there!

The audio kicks in after the gun is drawn, I'm going to assume the officer said something to him a few times before drawing his sidearm.

The idiot certainly heard the commands clearly enough to say "nah, fool!" when the officer told him to show his hands. He also kept walking backwards with his hands near his waist even after he turned around to see an officer with his weapon drawn.

This guy had SEVERAL opportunities to not get shot.

... so he deserved to die?

Why do some people always jump to "deserve"?

This isn't about whether the guy "deserved" to die. People die every day and "deserve" has nothing to do with it.

The officer responded to a "man with a gun" call. He pulled up and ONE of the 3 people in the group matching the description of the suspects walks away. The one who walked away keeps his hands around his waist while walking away from the officer. The officer finally gets him to turn around and he says "nah fool!" to the officer's demands to show his hands. He then lifts his shirt and/or makes a reaching motion while walking backwards and gets shot.

Whether or not he "deserved" to get shot is beside the point. He did everything in his power to make the officer believe he was armed and he was shot. "Deserve" has nothing to do with a justifiable shooting.

The criminal had a warrant out for his arrest due to violations of probation from a felony robbery charge. He made posts on social media that showed he had suicidal thoughts AND he had posted "I'll die before I spend a long time in a jail cell..."

This was most likely a case of suicide by cop. The body camera does a poor job showing where exactly his hands moved when he turned around but the officer said repeatedly "what were you reaching for?" and "I can't find what he was reaching for" after the shots were fired in the unedited longer version of the video.

For the lazy ones who will demand sources... do your own Googling for 5 damn seconds and find the same info that I found. I'm tired of doing the work for you only to have everything I post questioned anyway.

originally posted by: moniker

originally posted by: Kram09
After thinking about it some more I personally feel that the killing of the man in question was disproportionate, unnecessary and unjustified. That is, going by what the video shows.

If that police officer believed he was unable to resolve that situation without putting a bullet through that man, then in my humble opinion he shouldn't be a police officer.

The video was disturbing and part of me wishes I hadn't watched it. At least I haven't become so desensitized and accustomed to such violence as to feel absolutely nothing...or to try to make excuses for it.

This summarises by reaction and thinking very well.

Maybe instead of simply watching the video with your pre-conceived bias, you should read the whole story.

Nah, that takes too much work, right? Much easier to just go with your first knee-jerk emotional response.

originally posted by: moniker

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: PraetorianAZ

I get it,maybe he shouldn't have lost his life because he didn't comply with demands by the officers, but that's not why he got shot--he was shot because we was making aggressive movements

Please elaborate on precisely what an "aggressive movement" is.

Reaching into your waistband while saying "nah fool!" when an officer is yelling at you to show your hands is an "aggressive movement" and will get you shot every time.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: moniker

A warrant that unless has been shown other wise was not even known about from the officer responding.

The warrant says nothing about the cop's state of mind but it says everything about the criminal's state of mind.

Especially since he posted on social media that "I feel like my time is coming any day now..." and "I'll die before I spend a lot of time in a cell."

If you want to know why cops don't mess around with people who keep their hands concealed... watch this:




Now, did that guy show any indication that he was going to do something wrong? Did he give the officer a chance to use his taser, flashlight, baton, feather tickler, MMA skills, or anything else to disarm him?

THAT is how quickly things can go to shyte and the cops know it.

Police officers need to be trained more in the art of.....In Fact, stuff it. what's the point in even making a suggestion. it's just shoot first and feel sorry for yourself later. Utter Scumbags.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: moniker

A warrant that unless has been shown other wise was not even known about from the officer responding.

True. I missed to mention that part.