The Age of the Secular Saint

This idea dawned on me when Steve Jobs died

All the MSM heralded him as if he were a saint and not the hard-nosed capitalist technologist he really was.

They treated him like he was some kind of saint.
All for the Iphone and macintosh pc!

Jobs may have been actually the first secular saint canonized by the MSM hype masters

Now the Dave Lettermen retiring the mass media are going ape sh__ over him as if he is another SECULAR SAINT.

Well he is according to their ethics

There are a lot of them in this age of the celebrity within science, entertainment, business, and politics…though I dare say few would even want to juxtapose the word saint next to our politicians, but some can be called that…maybe JFK.

Of course all the big entertainers presently and past could be included: Micheal Jackson, Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra, the Beatles of course and in science Einstein, and Jobs as mentioned above from business, and maybe Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.

Bill Cosby was one until of course we learned of his use of sleeping pills

Indeed the entertainment business and the great business people of this materialistic, entertainment complex age, which includes sports of course, has created an idolatrous material culture with its own saints.

Naturally this is a parody of the old time religious saints but since religion has been buried by secularism it stands to reason the idols of the secular civilization would be naturally canonized within the context of this secular kingdom we have created.

Welcome to the secular age humankind


Lets us bow and pray to the great secular God for Dave Lettermen who is passing into secular sainthood with his retirement to become a living secular saint


Praise mammom

Did someone hack your account, Willtell? This is two threads in a row that we agree. I never liked Letterman. He was mean-spirited and treated many of his guests in a disrespectful manner. Jimmy Fallon is a good example of what a late night host should be...not Letterman.

So basically, what you're saying is, celebrities are celebrities.....Ok...?

a reply to: Willtell
Well thought out and said.

The heart in everyone seeks for unity - and in this day and age, that feeling of connectedness for many people comes in the form of whatever secular figure makes them feel best. So many people are completely obsessed with their favorite star(s) and even worship them in some real sense.

This search is just a misplaced love of the Divine Reality that the heart actually yearns for, but seeks everywhere else for - rather than directly connecting here and now with that Reality (Unity) in which we all already appear and are not ever separate from.

a reply to: Willtell

This is not the secular age of humanity.

It is the age of decadence... only one more age left for a civilization after this one.... can you guess which one?

a reply to: bb23108

I think you have some seeds of truth in your analysis. I am constantly amazed that people like the Jenner family and others are looked up to by our youth and even some adults. It shows a social immaturity if not a spiritual one.

Well, I didn't care for Steve Jobs and I don't particularly like his legacy. I would never see him as a saint but he certainly was an extraordinary person. Within his sphere there are not many like him and I can certainly understand why they would celebrate his life. This always happens when someone famous dies or retires or whatever. No one is going to come out and talk about all the mean and nasty things they did. They're human. Of course they did some nasty things.

Anyway, Letterman. I haven't watched him religiously (lol) but I have been pretty entertained by his antics on the shows I did watch. Is he a saint? Hell no. He's just David Letterman.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: bb23108

It shows a social immaturity if not a spiritual one.

Right. I mean, how much wisdom do these stars actually have? But people make much of them because it is an emotionally-based urge to connect with something great.

It is funny, when people see a great sports figure doing incredible feats of athleticism, they raise them up to a god-like stature - that is until that same figure opens their mouth!

And when people find a better star, they often discard their current "love" like a used pair of shoes because they were not fulfilled. Heheh, movie stars often do the same thing in their relationships with one another.

One of the signs of human maturity is when we no longer demand that an "other" fulfill us - as though our whole basis for being able to feel love is dependent on another being. What a burden to lay on someone we supposedly love. It invariably ends in the immature party(s) feeling abandoned, unloved, unfulfilled, victimized, etc. - or just coping in a loveless relationship. Only when we already feel and know what sustains us directly, can we really be free in our relationship with our intimate.

It's all the same futile search for union regardless of the type of relationship we are considering.

How many days did parade Reagan's corpse around?
I recall it being a drawn out affair.

a reply to: Willtell

Of course all the big entertainers presently and past could be included: Micheal Jackson, Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra, the Beatles of course and in science Einstein, and Jobs as mentioned above from business, and maybe Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.

Icons maybe, or giants in their assorted fields, but certainly not Saints, WT. But I do agree that all this "celebrity" worship is absurd.

originally posted by: skunkape23
How many days did parade Reagan's corpse around?
I recall it being a drawn out affair.

Oh god. I didn't think that would ever end. I couldn't believe Nancy Reagan agreed to having her husband dragged all over the U.S. It got uncomfortable for me. Let the man rest! (I would say.)

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: Willtell

This is not the secular age of humanity.

It is the age of decadence... only one more age left for a civilization after this one.... can you guess which one?

The Age of Aquarius? : )

originally posted by: Metallicus
Did someone hack your account, Willtell? This is two threads in a row that we agree. I never liked Letterman. He was mean-spirited and treated many of his guests in a disrespectful manner. Jimmy Fallon is a good example of what a late night host should be...not Letterman.

Funny, very funny, I shouldn’t have picked up that history of anonymous yesterday at the library, something must have taken me over.

Seriously though I’m a independent thinker and have conservative and liberal views


Believe me there few like WillTell


Anyway…you know in all the years he was on I didn’t watch one whole show of his.


The guy to me was never really funny; not a true comedian

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
So basically, what you're saying is, celebrities are celebrities.....Ok...?

There the new saints of our culture.


Think about it


We have a secular religion and charismatic entertainers, athletes, some politicians, and some capitalists, inventors, scientists are subject to becoming secular saints in all but name

originally posted by: bb23108
a reply to: Willtell
Well thought out and said.

The heart in everyone seeks for unity - and in this day and age, that feeling of connectedness for many people comes in the form of whatever secular figure makes them feel best. So many people are completely obsessed with their favorite star(s) and even worship them in some real sense.

This search is just a misplaced love of the Divine Reality that the heart actually yearns for, but seeks everywhere else for - rather than directly connecting here and now with that Reality (Unity) in which we all already appear and are not ever separate from.

My goodness man or woman, what an exceptionally awesome way to put that!

GREAT INSIGHT!

a reply to: Willtell

They aren't saints they just borrowed /stole some of the eternal light to shine upon themselves. Making false idols is the folly of humans, as is thinking themselves as being above nature.

Just another example of the upside down, inside out morality that the world stage has become. It has slowly progressed towards such for a long time.

The question is when will the moral decline be stopped? Are there enough who truly care to do something about it?

I hope there are and it is stopped.

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: Willtell

This is not the secular age of humanity.

It is the age of decadence... only one more age left for a civilization after this one.... can you guess which one?

I don’t have to guess.

It’s the Kali Yuga of the Hindu, the iron age of the Sufi, and the apocalypse of the western religions.


Actually in that is good and bad


Apocalypse means the revealing of Calypso a mysterious Goddess


Its no accident that not only is this the age of the secular but also, positively speaking, the age of the woman

This “Goddess” actually is the Magdalene

We are in the age of the revealing of the Meaning of the Magdalene


May God restore her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And may God have mercy on us because when she is restored we are on the other side of trouble

a reply to: angeldoll
a reply to: Willtell

Wrong and wrong again...

it is the age of decline and collapse

em pires having seven stages of development: (1) the age of outburst (or pioneers ) , (2 ) the age of conquests, (3) the age of commerce, (4) the age of affluence, (5) the age of intellect, (6 ) the age of decadence, an d (7) the age of decline and collapse. Each stage helps to lead to the next as the values of the empire’s people change over time.

online PDF here

I've never understood hero worship. I can admire another for their hardwork and accomplishments. I can even admire Rush Limbaugh for the conservative empire he created but he is still an insulting, fat, scumbag junkie; And a very wealthy one at that....

I know some here revere him as Saint Rush....obviously I don't!!! but I can still admire him for his ability to play the gullible like a $10 fiddle.

a reply to: Willtell

If you are looking for the qualities of a saint, compare this to Abraham in the Bible. He was the seed of a great nation, but sent Hagar and Ishmael out into the desert with nothing but a loaf of bread and jug of water. His intent was that they die. He had the wealth to ensure their safety, yet sent them out alone with nothing more than one meal. He was said to be a man after God's own heart, just as David and Solomon were said to be the same. In every case, all beings have flaws, including Yahweh. Even Jesus said this:

Luke 18:19 - "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

If Jesus cannot claim to be good, then perhaps our definition of a Saint is somewhat skewed. Jesus said to NOT judge. He also said God gave him the power to judge, but he judges no man. It seems the reason is clear. The true heart of a man is made up of more than the one thing we can identify as a flaw.

Letterman was an outlier. He accomplished what few can claim. Flaws? Yes. Can you claim to be above him in talent? How about willingness to find good instead of ill?

In the end, this is the secret to all religion. Love keeps no records of wrongs. It does, however, note the good we do. All of us are both saints and sinners. We cannot claim to be one or the other. We all have our Abraham moments.