What [if anything] does the existence of unsolved cases really prove?

a reply to: TrueMessiah

Maybe hes distancing himself from the ETH in order to get more main stream acceptance. What I got was that he wants to look at the data without any preconceived notions.

originally posted by: TrueMessiah

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
I was really surprised at some of the comments attacking him though.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
I am really not sure who you have in mind. You mentioned Vallee. ... maybe you should discuss this with your friends?

LOL, trying pretty hard to get him to bite here huh? You already posted the link but I guess that wasn't good enough so you had to go copy/paste the actual posts. As if varying opinions of one particular researcher can't be overcome among those on the same side in support of the ETH being the most favorable hypothesis. HAHAHA!

Oh and I still stand by that post of mind on Vallee. I considered what he was peddling in that article (dancing around the ETH) as crap then, and it still is now.

Some great writing there....yours too, True Messiah. You too T&S

originally posted by: Scdfa
a reply to: dragonridr

Unidentified objects probably goes back 100s of thousands of years.

We'll never know, writing was invented about 5200 years ago.
Cave paintings go back about 35,000 years.

But ET didn't show up until movies like Spielberg that told us what they are supposed to look like. Just like earlier UFOs were cigar shaped.

Not true. Discussions of extraterrestrials was common by the 17th century, Milton wrote about them in Paradise Lost in 1667.
You can go back much further, to first-century writers.

Or did you mean ETs didn't come to Earth until Spielberg?
That's not true, either.

The Mystery Airships sightings and abduction attempts took place all around the US in 1896 and 1897.
That's before Spielberg's grandparents were born. Before motion pictures.

Budd Hopkins documented an abduction case, involving the greys, that dated to the 1920s.
Betty Hill was taken in 1961.
I was first abducted in 1966.
Steven Spielberg made Close Encounters of the Third Kind in 1977.

As for your claim that early reports were all cigar shaped,
that isnt entirely true.

Here are some flying saucer / disc shaped craft reports from the 1920s:

"Date: 1922
Location: Davenport, Iowa
Time: daylight
Summary: Twin girls aged 8 see a daylight disc UFO near Davenport.


Date: 1925
Location: Moora, Australia
Time:
Summary: Two teenagers stumbled upon a saucer-shaped shimmering object resting on four legs in a paddock near. They ran off in fear.


Date: 1926
Location: Mongolia
Time:
Summary: During his expedition explorer Nicholas Roerich and members of his caravan, caught sight of a huge oval-shaped object high in the sky. It had a shiny surface that reflected the sun on one side and moved at great speed north to south.


Date: Nov., 1928
Location: Milton, N.D.
Time:
Summary: A UFO, round “like an inverted soup plate,” sped overhead emitting rays of light which illuminated the ground and startled cattle.
Source: NICAP UFO Evidence, 1964, Hall"

These reports can be found here:

www.thinkaboutitdocs.com...

Just look at sightings did you know they increase after major movie releases?

This Huffington Post article from 2011 says that UFO sightings reported to MUFON's database increased by 67% over the previous three years, from 300 a month to over 500 a month.
I'm not sure how that would fit with your movie theory.
Although I have no trouble believing that a popular movie about aliens might cause viewers to look up at the night sky more often than they previously did. That would be a natural reaction.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

No perceptions of what they looked like changed actually prior to modern greys they were seen as reptillian.the moderb greys first started from a Sci fi and was supposed to be what humans would look like on the future. Around 1892, apparently, people took an interest in what human beings would look like after another million or so years of evolution. They concluded that the “Human of the Year 10 Million” would have no hair, mouth, or nose, an enormous lightbulb shaped head, and a small body. Since we’d develop machinery to do all our heavy labor, we’d become more intelligent organisms, thus making out bodies get smaller and our brains get larger. I don’t think there’s an evolutionary reason for it, but in drawings of that era the “people of the future” usually don’t have ears, lips, or noses, and have large or oddly shaped eyes. This was latwr used in axience fiction for aliens for basically the same reasons being they were more advanced than us.What we consider greys is what we were supposed to look like.

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8


"Faith" is the key word. When someone tells a story of alien abduction, I need more than faith to believe the story. Alien visitation wouldn't be a trivial event to me and shouldn't be treated so. Taking abduction stories purely at face value and requiring nothing more, is treating it like a common every day occurrence. The fact is, unless you're experiencing it with the person, you have no more idea if the story is fabricated than I do. Also, a personal encounter doesn't by default make other stories true. You should still be questioning and not blindly believing. That's why I questioned the connection to Scdfa.

I never said to take them at face value and ignore other variables. There are other factors besides abductions which make me lean towards visitation being presumably true. There are many things that are debatable like the formulation of MJ - 12, documents detailing treaties between Greys, information on underground bases, worldwide ufo phenomena, ancient history and text, ties and connections to the occult, the covert aspect and plausible reasons therof. etc. that I factor in. When you look at that as a whole, then it's hard not to see how someone could arrive at the belief I have. It's a connect the dot process which will lead you to some interesting revelations. It goes beyond more than just abductions so if I seem to favor the abduction phenomena with not much respect for strict scientific protocol or nothing to back up abduction testimony, just realize I'm looking at the whole subject from a broader scope.

The entire process of having to come up with excuses on top of excuses is nonsensical. They're either here or they're not. It seems for 65+ years, they are in a perpetual state of kinda here. There's nothing definitive. They come here and want to be inconspicuous, but they are kinda seen. They remove the memories of abductions, but that only kinda works, and so on. You have to toss out many convenient excuses for these apparently not-so-smart aliens.

What you call excuses are really strongly substantiated. I even did a thread on the tinkering being done to military craft. They all lead to stronger cases being built in favor of them being here. They shouldn't be so casually dismissed.

Scdfa has only given bits and pieces of his story. Are you basing your belief in his story completely on faith?
And by the way- How is your method of raising awareness on the forum working out for you and Scdfa?

I have no reason to believe he's lying, especially with my take on this phenomenon. I give everyone the benefit of doubt. I think it's working out fine. Every post/thread made raises awareness. I feel it's my duty to at least put the information out there to be interpreted in whatever manner one so chooses.

a reply to: Ectoplasm8

And by the way- How is your method of raising awareness on the forum working out for you and Scdfa?

Great, thanks! Glad to see you are interested!
Or are you asking that in a puerile, negative way?

a reply to: dragonridr

No perceptions of what they looked like changed actually prior to modern greys they were seen as reptillian.the moderb greys first started from a Sci fi and was supposed to be what humans would look like on the future. Around 1892, apparently, people took an interest in what human beings would look like after another million or so years of evolution. They concluded that the “Human of the Year 10 Million” would have no hair, mouth, or nose, an enormous lightbulb shaped head, and a small body. Since we’d develop machinery to do all our heavy labor, we’d become more intelligent organisms, thus making out bodies get smaller and our brains get larger. I don’t think there’s an evolutionary reason for it, but in drawings of that era the “people of the future” usually don’t have ears, lips, or noses, and have large or oddly shaped eyes. This was latwr used in axience fiction for aliens for basically the same reasons being they were more advanced than us.What we consider greys is what we were supposed to look like.

This writing is very difficult to decipher. It's not easy to respond to writing without punctuation or grammar. No offense, it just is.
But I'd like to see this image of the moderb or modern grey which "first started from a Sci fi" around 1892.

originally posted by: Scdfa
a reply to: dragonridr

No perceptions of what they looked like changed actually prior to modern greys they were seen as reptillian.the moderb greys first started from a Sci fi and was supposed to be what humans would look like on the future. Around 1892, apparently, people took an interest in what human beings would look like after another million or so years of evolution. They concluded that the “Human of the Year 10 Million” would have no hair, mouth, or nose, an enormous lightbulb shaped head, and a small body. Since we’d develop machinery to do all our heavy labor, we’d become more intelligent organisms, thus making out bodies get smaller and our brains get larger. I don’t think there’s an evolutionary reason for it, but in drawings of that era the “people of the future” usually don’t have ears, lips, or noses, and have large or oddly shaped eyes. This was latwr used in axience fiction for aliens for basically the same reasons being they were more advanced than us.What we consider greys is what we were supposed to look like.

This writing is very difficult to decipher. It's not easy to respond to writing without punctuation or grammar. No offense, it just is.
But I'd like to see this image of the moderb or modern grey which "first started from a Sci fi" around 1892.

Just can't resist the urge to play grammar Nazi in lieu of actually addressing the content, eh scud? Maybe follow up with some whining about how the evil debunkers unfairly snipe at you?

a reply to: Scdfa

Guessing you really don't know what to say now that you know we invented the grey. And it was supposed to be what we would look like in the future. So you chose to go the grammar route bravo way to argue a point. By the way it's starting greys are being replaced. Aliens are now becoming more like on defiance again. Tall white creatures more angelic like.

Your going to love this one Iran said these tall white aliens are taking over the world que doom music.



www.forbes.com...

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: Scdfa
a reply to: dragonridr

No perceptions of what they looked like changed actually prior to modern greys they were seen as reptillian.the moderb greys first started from a Sci fi and was supposed to be what humans would look like on the future. Around 1892, apparently, people took an interest in what human beings would look like after another million or so years of evolution. They concluded that the “Human of the Year 10 Million” would have no hair, mouth, or nose, an enormous lightbulb shaped head, and a small body. Since we’d develop machinery to do all our heavy labor, we’d become more intelligent organisms, thus making out bodies get smaller and our brains get larger. I don’t think there’s an evolutionary reason for it, but in drawings of that era the “people of the future” usually don’t have ears, lips, or noses, and have large or oddly shaped eyes. This was latwr used in axience fiction for aliens for basically the same reasons being they were more advanced than us.What we consider greys is what we were supposed to look like.

This writing is very difficult to decipher. It's not easy to respond to writing without punctuation or grammar. No offense, it just is.
But I'd like to see this image of the moderb or modern grey which "first started from a Sci fi" around 1892.

Just can't resist the urge to play grammar Nazi in lieu of actually addressing the content, eh scud? Maybe follow up with some whining about how the evil debunkers unfairly snipe at you?

Grammar Nazi? That's pretty insulting, my grandfather fought the Nazis. Don't be obtuse.
Addressing the content requires certain rules of communication, and I was being honest and polite about it.
And your attacking me here is decidedly off-topic.

a reply to: dragonridr

Guessing you really don't know what to say now that you know we invented the grey.

You guessed wrong.
I've had direct contact with what you call "the grey". If you really had a theory that they were a human invention, it is incorrect.
These beings are every bit as real as you are, and from my perspective, more so. I have communicated with them face to face, and had physical contact with them. One of them placed its hand on my head. They took me on their ships, which are also real, and are evidenced by physical evidence in the form of photographs, film, video, radar, and landing sites with residual electro-magnetic effects, and radiation.

a reply to: TrueMessiah

MJ - 12, documents detailing treaties between Greys, information on underground bases, worldwide ufo phenomena, ancient history and text, ties and connections to the occult.

I haven't followed your posting history, so I need a feel of how deeply you're involved in all of this.

I think it's working out fine. Every post/thread made raises awareness. I feel it's my duty to at least put the information out there to be interpreted in whatever manner one so chooses.

This isn't a comment to you in particular, but I don't know how effective emotional and defensive posting is to raising awareness. Or pointing out mistakes unrelated to the topic of a post. The attempt to assert superiority in different ways. It's silliness. Give me an idiot with no education, can't spell, and lives in a cardboard box that provides a piece of physical evidence, then all of that other BS doesn't matter.

But, I do understand the age-old stereotype believers feel the need to overcome. It's just annoying fluff.

Well here we are again guys. I warned you last week that this disruption would not be tolerated any further. Post bans for the 3 of you now? That's where we are at.

ETA: There will be no further warnings in any thread. The next disruption will be met with bans.

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
The entire process of having to come up with excuses on top of excuses is nonsensical. They're either here or they're not. It seems for 65+ years, they are in a perpetual state of kinda here. There's nothing definitive. They come here and want to be inconspicuous, but they are kinda seen. They remove the memories of abductions, but that only kinda works, and so on. You have to toss out many convenient excuses for these apparently not-so-smart aliens.

It's this kind of thing that has led me to think that the "problem" isn't with the UFOs, it's with us. It's impossible to dismiss every sighting and encounter as a misidentification, delusion or hoax. But even admitting that, the evidence doesn't apparently seem to lead anywhere. For those with limited imaginations and a desire to settle for a convenient explanation, it suggests H.G. Wells and War of the Worlds. Unfortunately, the harder you look at the data, the more that notion evaporates.

So at the end of the day, I still have to think that we continue to have unexplained sightings because they're either:
1) something relatively mundane with a fairly prosaic explanation for which we just don't have enough data to identify, or
2) something extraordinary that our simple little monkey minds just can't quite completely perceive or comprehend.

a reply to: Blue Shift

why does there have to be one hypothesis that's correct , I envisage some bastard amalgamation of them all , like some kind of hydra , try to remove one ....

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