At Least 9 Dead and Many Injured in Biker Gang Shooting in Waco, TX

It's harder to be man when you have a gun....I don't show mine ....we have to be cool heads. Texas way.

originally posted by: nerbot
To all those spewing knee-jerk comments about not caring about dead bikers....I wonder how many children lost their father in this incident?

Sad.

If they were 1%ers, which it seems at this point that they were, those kids are better off.

There's a lot of naivety in this thread.

These weren't just the usual law-abiding Harley crowd that like to play biker on the weekend.

originally posted by: tony9802

originally posted by: jimmyx
and it happened in Waco, Texas....geez, there must be something in the water, or the beer....Davidian compound and now this?...too small for both of these to be happening.....anyone going to go to Sturgis this year?...outta be exciting.

I was kind of thinking this could possibly be linked in a false flag sort of way to the whole J-ade H-elm thing coming to Texas and elsewhere in the next two months, July more specifically..

It's a terrible coincidence to have this type of conflict erupt suddenly in that area..I hope everyone stays cool..

You know vs the normal 1% gangs fighting and killing each other which has happened for decades now.

Why do all Mulders seem to be convinced that every thing in life happens independently vs the reality of one event happening does mean everything else is inclusive.

originally posted by: LDragonFire
CNN is reporting: Early indications are 4 of 9 bikers who died in a Texas shootout were killed by police, law enforcement source says.

If this is true then this situation is far from being contained and could spiral out of control in a very nasty way. In the biker subculture revenge is a way of life.

just a bunch of thuggish animals , point blank

The Waco Police Massacre

www.agingrebel.com...

When one of the combatants produced a gun the Swat team opened fire with automatic weapons. Multiple sources have told The Aging Rebel that all of the dead were killed by police.

This is looking like the Waco Swat team killed them ALL?
With automatic weapons!!! WTF

I'd just like to say that not all 1%ers are big time criminals.
I'm not saying you'd want to get on their wrong side, but a large proportion of them are in it for the camaraderie and the kicks of riding and partying together.

Not making excuses for killing folks, but suddenly they're all gangs, not clubs and the members are all crims.

Life is never so black and white.

a reply to: imitator

Crazy if true.

a reply to: imitator

I'm pretty sure that will be the defenses story. And, could change the narrative from criminal activity to something more profound. Imagine if the fight that kicked it all off involved an undercover or CI. The tell to whether it's possibly true or not will be the actions of the clubs involved. MSM is reporting that 4 of the 9 dead were killed by police as of right now.The sparsity of video from the event is a definite head scratcher right now. If the supposition in your link is correct I'd expect some form of truce amongst the warring clubs along with a rapid spread of a narrative that did not support police claims (particularly among clubs present but not participating). Not outside the realm of possibility, but still requiring pretty substantial proof to believe.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
I'd just like to say that not all 1%ers are big time criminals.
I'm not saying you'd want to get on their wrong side, but a large proportion of them are in it for the camaraderie and the kicks of riding and partying together.

Not making excuses for killing folks, but suddenly they're all gangs, not clubs and the members are all crims.

Life is never so black and white.

If a person is in a 1% club, they are involved in crime in one way or another.

The 1% is a lot less than a true 1% these days but they're still criminal organizations.

I consider true 1% clubs to be "motorcycle gangs" because they are involved in crime just like any other street gang... they just have Harleys and leather vests.

a reply to: Answer

Yes some are very bad men. But not all But you could find your accountant might be one or your mechanic your grocer your airplane mechanic some in The national Guard I have seen a Parole officer and a lawyer wearing outlaw colors for real . And yes I am referring to 1%ers clubs . Never met a Dr or Dentist but EMTs nurses and firemen who were teased about being a hose monkeys even business men. The only way to know is follow em after work during summer riding seasons. Some dont have visible tats so its harder to tie them to a club.

I rode many years meet a slew of bikers and went to many rallies . And drank beer in biker bars all over the west. I have been driving or riding for 40 years . These gangs need to have the softer public image so they include non criminals and criminal activity is done with a hand full out of view of the full club.

This is for some chapters others carry muscle or others drugs.

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: tony9802

originally posted by: jimmyx
and it happened in Waco, Texas....geez, there must be something in the water, or the beer....Davidian compound and now this?...too small for both of these to be happening.....anyone going to go to Sturgis this year?...outta be exciting.

I was kind of thinking this could possibly be linked in a false flag sort of way to the whole J-ade H-elm thing coming to Texas and elsewhere in the next two months, July more specifically..

It's a terrible coincidence to have this type of conflict erupt suddenly in that area..I hope everyone stays cool..

You know vs the normal 1% gangs fighting and killing each other which has happened for decades now.

Why do all Mulders seem to be convinced that every thing in life happens independently vs the reality of one event happening does mean everything else is inclusive.

Yeah, I agree with you: It's a false flag alright..

a reply to: tony9802

I'm reading that 4 of the 9 persons murdered were killed by the authorities, that sort of changes things a little bit..

originally posted by: Cuervo

originally posted by: Greathouse
That's the exact reason I don't allow colors in my bar. Take the colors away 98% of the antagonism goes away.

That can be misconstrued as very racist if read the wrong way. I had to read that twice.

Good thinking, by the way. There's no reason for an establishment to allow itself to be a brawling venue.

Lol I had to read it again too.

"The Bandidos are the biggest motorcycle gang in Texas, and they don't allow other motorcycle gangs to enter that state. They will allow other motorcycles clubs to exist, but they're not allowed to wear that state bottom rocker. If they do, they face the onslaught of the Bandidos," Falco told CNN's Sara Sidner.

The bottom rocker refers to a state name on the back of a biker's vest. According to Falco, it can indicate where someone is from, as well as claim territory for that club.

"The Cossacks decided that they were big enough now to go ahead and wear the Texas bottom rocker, and basically tell the Bandidos that they're ready for war," he said.

Link

If probably safe to say many in Texas would be happy with all of them leaving.

March 22 -- Approximately 10 Cossacks forced a Bandido to pull over near Lorena, Texas. They attacked the Bandido member with "chains, batons, and metal pipes before stealing his motorcycle."

On the same day, a group of Bandidos approached a Cossack at a truck stop in Palo Pinto County. The Cossack member was attacked after he refused to remove a Texas patch from his vest.

10 on 1, that's some real macho stuff. No wonder they carry guns.

Shades of the Serengeti, catch a single one away from the herd and it goes down.

With such a large crowd its strange that there isn't any video of what really happened.

Was this a massacre by the police?

a reply to: LDragonFire

There very well could exist video evidence at such a popular venue, both inside and of the parking area.

The police would take that as evidence in the upcoming trials of the 170 arrested (and charged) and not release it to the public until those trials get under way.

As for whether this was a 'police massacre', I don't know. When the biker's knives and guns come out, the police are within their rights to respond if the biker's knives and guns came out first.

I'm surprised more people aren't commenting on this story as it reeks to high heaven. We're missing a part of the story I think.

a reply to: nerdyclutzyblonde

I couldn't get your link to work the only video i saw was another video after the incident. The alternative story I'm seeing is that the cops plus swat was there, a fight broke out and a gun was seen and the cops opened fired with automatic weapons into the crowd.

I'm not saying this is what happened at all, this is what Im reading in other places, so why I would like to see any video of what happened. I don't believe no video exists.