At Least 9 Dead and Many Injured in Biker Gang Shooting in Waco, TX

originally posted by: TXTriker
My husband was reading the comments on one site and a gentleman stated is nephew was killed and was NOT part of the gangs. So possibly one innocent bystander shot.

That's very sad if true.
Surely the police would have announced this if it was true though, it's not the kind of thing I would have thought they would want to hold back.

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: VoidHawk
Lots of posters saying "Who cares"
But its very possible half of them were simply defending themselves!!!

I assume we are allowed to defend ourselves???

Yeah, that's the usual response of the gun-totin' "right to bear arms" crowd though, right? Ignore the reality that guns lead to thousands of deaths, just claim that if everyone had a gun to "defend themselves" everything is unicorn farts and penguin glitter.

Lets ignore the fact that one person "defending themselves" with a gun, against other people "defending themselves" with a gun, is basically nothing more than a wild west shootout where neither is defending themselves and all they're doing is threatening the lives of everyone in the vicinity.

The reality is that most of these men probably had guns for that same exact reason, the problem is they are part of a tribal mentality that couldn't give a rats behind about them as individuals.

Here's the real defense... you ready? You don't need a gun, you just need to make appropriate life choices so you don't ever end up in a situation where you need a gun to "defend yourself". Step one would be learning to become an adult, independent, not needing a "club", or "gang" or "fake family" to fulfill a desperate and wholly misplaced need to belong.

Every single one of these men knew exactly what being in gang involves, they had guns to kill, they deserve absolutely no sympathy.

I'm usually very level headed about these things, as I know plenty of Bikers here in the UK, but with American bikers it would probably be better to organize an event in the Nevada desert, invite all the gangs, arm them all as they enter and let them murder each other. Do the rest of the country a favor.

I'm from the uk, we dont have guns!

originally posted by: TheWhiteKnight
I looked at a few sources, including a Waco Convention Center menu of events.
There are no events listed for May 17-18, and I do wonder what, if anything, is being hushed up.

According to one sentence in the mainstay articles, there was a second crime scene at the Waco Convention Center, and 'few details' were forthcoming, it was said.

So I wonder if anything were cancelled/pulled from notice? Maybe the convention center lot is simply a handy place to congregate and there was no event at all. It isn't unusual for there to be no events for a couple of days at a time (weekends?) according to their program:

www.wacocc.com...

# 435

Nothing pulled or going on, just a staging area . Too many to fit in our local jail.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

originally posted by: Rocker2013
Waco now needs to be on guard for what's potentially coming.
They're reporting that more bikers are on the way there, and now this is going to be about revenge and an imagined "glory" - as part of their ignorant tribal mentality.

If the police then use force, or it's known that their response to this incident injured or killed any of their fellow gang members, then there is a real risk of this becoming a bigger problem as attack and response escalates and spirals.

Some of us know that this response/retaliation scenario easily turns protests into riots, and riots into revolutions. The same applies to things like this when there are large numbers of people involved.
If I were in the area I would be looking to leave for at least a couple of days right now.

Not just Waco, any area where both groups exist. Revenge doesn't just apply to those that were at this incident. Revenge applies anywhere it can be taken.

Whenever I hear about bikers, it's really hard not to think about this.

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: TXTriker
My husband was reading the comments on one site and a gentleman stated is nephew was killed and was NOT part of the gangs. So possibly one innocent bystander shot.

That's very sad if true.
Surely the police would have announced this if it was true though, it's not the kind of thing I would have thought they would want to hold back.

I don't think they've sorted enough out to know yet. If so, they may be holding it back to prevent public panic. There is a lot of business from people traveling through Waco on the interstate. If people hear that the public may not be safe they will lose some of that business. Its only a short drive on to West & Hillsboro to the north and Temple/Belton or Austin to the south where there are lots of places to stop.

originally posted by: TXTriker

originally posted by: roadgravel
'Colors' is usually referring to the jacket with the club patch. Cav mentioned how his jacket would be confused as being colors.

Only by someone not familiar with motorcycle clubs. There are rules about colors and how they are placed on the vest.

I was referring to the post about the color of clothes, etc being worn.

a reply to: Rocker2013

100 dollars to a doughnut that every gun used was illegal. crooks,thugs and Bikers Gangs don't make a habit of going to the gun store, filling out the paper work for a back ground check, and doing a waiting period. they just get one from their buddies.

Here's the real defense... you ready? You don't need a gun, you just need to make appropriate life choices so you don't ever end up in a situation where you need a gun to "defend yourself".

yea get shot in the a@@ while you run away from some one who hasn't made "appropriate life choices", no thanks. bad people can and will strike when you least expect it.

originally posted by: roadgravel

originally posted by: TXTriker

originally posted by: roadgravel
'Colors' is usually referring to the jacket with the club patch. Cav mentioned how his jacket would be confused as being colors.

Only by someone not familiar with motorcycle clubs. There are rules about colors and how they are placed on the vest.

I was referring to the post about the color of clothes, etc being worn.

The original post was that someone was convinced that his unit patches were "colors". Wasn't picking on you just using your post because sometimes when people reply instead of quote something gets lost in the conversation.

I am pretty sure that Janet Reno accepted responsibility for burning children to death in Waco....
And nothing at all was done to her for that.

This should be just fine.

The government has special programs to arm Mexican drug gangs.... that operate in the US.

Yep, they shouldn't have any problem with this.

a reply to: Rocker2013

Well they may not be able to say anything yet.

If they are still debating if he was part or not then they will wait it out.

originally posted by: TXTriker

originally posted by: roadgravel

originally posted by: TXTriker

originally posted by: roadgravel
'Colors' is usually referring to the jacket with the club patch. Cav mentioned how his jacket would be confused as being colors.

Only by someone not familiar with motorcycle clubs. There are rules about colors and how they are placed on the vest.

I was referring to the post about the color of clothes, etc being worn.

OK, I see your reasoning in the reply and your point is very valid.

The original post was that someone was convinced that his unit patches were "colors". Wasn't picking on you just using your post because sometimes when people reply instead of quote something gets lost in the conversation.

Perhaps if thing get out of hand Jade Helm will come in handy.

originally posted by: TXTriker

originally posted by: mtnshredder

originally posted by: ChiefD
a reply to: opethPA

Whatever. Who cares?

Idiots

I think you meant this to be in response to Noxxen not Opeth?

Without knowing all the facts, I think it would be premature and ignorant to jump to a conclusion that the clubs involved were all 'gangs' and all members deserved to be killed. There is a big difference between a MC/motorcycle club and a MC 1%'er motorcycle "gang", although, both groups can fall under the guise of a "gang". As VoidHawk pointed out some may have been legally defending themselves. I'm not affiliated, but, I've known and rode with some club members most of my life, they're not all bad people. Do we know the clubs involved?

At least 4 club patches were visible in the "raw" video. MSN online had clear shots of Bandidos and Cossacks. Some in the raw video appeared to be Gypsies who are not 1% and it would be surprising to see them there. One resembled DeGuello but was not clear enough to be sure. Police refused to say in a press conference. Did not want to give them the privilege of recognition. I was just on the other side of the freeway 2 weekends ago at Heitmillers steak house.

Thank's Txtriker. That's kinda what I figured. After watching the vid it was obvious they weren't all 1%'ers. To bad about the guys cousin wrong place wrong time.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

I hope you told them to get stuffed in no uncertain terms! I am a metal head. I have a jacket which has patches from gigs I have been to, festivals, and so on, that I have picked up a merch stalls. I am slowly turning the thing into a visual history of my journey in music. It's not the most patched jacket of its kind that I have ever seen, but it is getting more covered up every year.

If someone told me that they thought I was a gang member, just because I like to sew patches onto a jacket, without paying attention to the actual patches themselves, I would have to assume that the person involved was simply a moron. I would also be rather pissed about it, since if there is one thing that I would hate to be accused of, its group think.

a reply to: mtnshredder

I just thought of a reason they might have all been there since some didn't appear to be 1%. I believe it happens once a quarter and it is held in different parts of the state. It is called CoC. Council of Clubs. All clubs usually send some reps so non-1%ers would also go. I've been to one several years ago - by accident. It was being held at a place that was a regular hang out. I am not and will not be a member of any bike "club" of any kind. Given the number of different patches that makes sense as a reason for the gathering. Too bad it turned out this badly.

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: VoidHawk
Lots of posters saying "Who cares"
But its very possible half of them were simply defending themselves!!!

I assume we are allowed to defend ourselves???

Yeah, that's the usual response of the gun-totin' "right to bear arms" crowd though, right? Ignore the reality that guns lead to thousands of deaths, just claim that if everyone had a gun to "defend themselves" everything is unicorn farts and penguin glitter.

Lets ignore the fact that one person "defending themselves" with a gun, against other people "defending themselves" with a gun, is basically nothing more than a wild west shootout where neither is defending themselves and all they're doing is threatening the lives of everyone in the vicinity.

The reality is that most of these men probably had guns for that same exact reason, the problem is they are part of a tribal mentality that couldn't give a rats behind about them as individuals.

Here's the real defense... you ready? You don't need a gun, you just need to make appropriate life choices so you don't ever end up in a situation where you need a gun to "defend yourself". Step one would be learning to become an adult, independent, not needing a "club", or "gang" or "fake family" to fulfill a desperate and wholly misplaced need to belong.

Every single one of these men knew exactly what being in gang involves, they had guns to kill, they deserve absolutely no sympathy.

I'm usually very level headed about these things, as I know plenty of Bikers here in the UK, but with American bikers it would probably be better to organize an event in the Nevada desert, invite all the gangs, arm them all as they enter and let them murder each other. Do the rest of the country a favor.

Talk about ignorant What a bunch of BS, poppycock and un truths. Your post are full of nothing more than assumption and preconceived ideas of how you THINK clubs, bikers and gun owners work. You judge every book by it's cover? Why don't you come over here and save us from all the evils that bikers are. You can get you a Hummer and just drive around running over anyone on a bike wearing a patched jacket, and if there's more than one they must be up to no good, right? Doubt you'll get far but hey you seem to have it all figured out for us. Good god mate, really?

originally posted by: Nickn3
Perhaps if thing get out of hand Jade Helm will come in handy.

Really, aren't there 57 other paranoid Jade Helm threads on ATS right now...
Unless you were making a joke then...

But this is terroristic

a reply to: Answer

Yep. You live by the gun you die by the gun