corp deregulation is naive...

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
a reply to: JUhrman


Supra national level?
You need to read the history of the United nations and see how well that works. All take and no give.

Please elaborate... I've worked there so interested to see your view..

I would think you would be better suited to tell us firsthand the failings of the United nations.


Here is a list of failures anywho.

listverse.com...

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
Trusting a corporation is foolish.
Trusting a government agency to regulate corporations is just as foolish.

As someone else said, who else would do so? That.... is.... one... of the jobs of the government. To protect the commons and all of the community's rights, not just the few.

As I said. We have a world economy and multiple governments. How are you going to get the Chinese government to agree to American regulations like environmental and safety standards?
Life is not to valuable in some places.

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
a reply to: JUhrman


Well what exactly have you tried to do about the problem?
Have you researched a solution?

I'm in favor of strong supra-national regulation of the financial and corporate and vote accordingly. I don't expect you to share my views but it's what can do at my level and what I do.

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
Trusting a corporation is foolish.
Trusting a government agency to regulate corporations is just as foolish.

As someone else said, who else would do so? That.... is.... one... of the jobs of the government. To protect the commons and all of the community's rights, not just the few.

As I said. We have a world economy and multiple governments. How are you going to get the Chinese government to agree to American regulations like environmental and safety standards?
Life is not to valuable in some places.

First, you cannot wait to do what is right if other's are not not. As world leaders, and developed countries, we cannot point to those who are undeveloped as role models.

Second, the UN is negotiating such overarching rules for everyone as we speak. I know because I've attended most of the meetings for a year now.

Before you pop off on the UN, this is the only real answer to the problem you just said. We need REAL international cooperation and accountability.

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
a reply to: JUhrman


Supra national level?
You need to read the history of the United nations and see how well that works. All take and no give.

Please elaborate... I've worked there so interested to see your view..

I would think you would be better suited to tell us firsthand the failings of the United nations.


Here is a list of failures anywho.

listverse.com...

There are failings, but those are more in the security realm. The biggest failure is that the security rule and international law are selectively applied to tin pot dictators and small banana republics, not to the west.

However, the development realm is doing quite well and growing in effectiveness. The Millennium Development Goals showed a lot of success.

Now we are negotiationing the Sustainable Development Goals, which will be effective coming 2016 to 2030. Those address the global accountability issues in the development sphere.

Many people in the US are very against the idea of the UN because of the remnant of the cold war propaganda brainwashing.

The UN there is seen as a vehicle for a socialist/communist/globalist agenda and of course against the very ideal of American freedom.

Unfortunately in this current globalized world, freedom can only extend as far as when it starts hurting others, other countries or the environment. That's precisely why supra-national governing bodies must exist to arbiter between the conflicting desires of the conflicting parties.


Wanting to remain totally independent from any supra-national regulation is simply the expression of nationalist egoism and is not a desirable trait in humanity as a whole.

It's time we move past this kind of paradigm. As a country ravaged twice by world war I have all the reason to understand the kind of issue that must be dealt at the international level


Another example, without supranational governments, small countries would have no way to defend themselves against the risks caused by other countries. For example how else can small Pacific Island can express there concerns about rising sea levels but at the international level?

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14



We can't get cooperation from the dems and the gop. How do you ever expect to get real cooperation from other nations?
Sorry but I just see world cooperation as a pipe dream.

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14



We can't get cooperation from the dems and the gop. How do you ever expect to get real cooperation from other nations?
Sorry but I just see world cooperation as a pipe dream.

For someone who accused me of doing nothing but to complain and proposing nothing concrete, you seem to be doing doing exactly that.

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14



We can't get cooperation from the dems and the gop. How do you ever expect to get real cooperation from other nations?
Sorry but I just see world cooperation as a pipe dream.

It's because you see only the failures and completely ignore the successes.

Politics is about compromise. You can't expect to have easy consensus all the time.


Compromises is something that seems to be not in the US mentality. That's why we have so much problems with the US (and Russia and China) at the international level. Maybe the US can start growing up politically and assuming their responsibility as leader and example for the world.

originally posted by: JUhrman

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14



We can't get cooperation from the dems and the gop. How do you ever expect to get real cooperation from other nations?
Sorry but I just see world cooperation as a pipe dream.

For someone who accused me of doing nothing but to complain and proposing nothing concrete, you seem to be doing doing exactly that.

Actually I asked you what you have done or plan on doing. Never said you have done nothing.

a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71

I answered you then

a reply to: JUhrman


Everybody on the bottom always expects the people on the top to compromise.

originally posted by: JUhrman
a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71

I answered you then

Yes you did.

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
a reply to: JUhrman


Everybody on the bottom always expects the people on the top to compromise.

Actually compromise is something that is in the DNA of the European Union and even Belgium, because it's all about making different cultures coexist peacefully. So it's something that is important for people at all level of society here.

a reply to: JUhrman

I would imagine that a couple world wars destroying everything tends to make you look for a peaceful solution.

And they should. Remember that the politicians, even when they come from elite backgrounds, are supposed to be representing people of all backgrounds. And, they are supposed to be getting stuff done that helps people, which necessitates compromise.

Mind you, I think that both the Democratic and Republican elite have problems, and don't always represent us.

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14



We can't get cooperation from the dems and the gop. How do you ever expect to get real cooperation from other nations?
Sorry but I just see world cooperation as a pipe dream.

The thing is, the international community at the UN level IS negotiating and actually cooperating.... As we speak. Let me educate you now because a lot of people don't know about it. It's also in real time so not historical.

Here is what has been already negotiated. I recommend scanning down to where the Sustainable Development Goals start, as the first couple pages are historical and legal foundations.

sustainabledevelopment.un.org...

First read that and then we can discuss the issues. Which, of course, exist. But, if you are going to discuss this, please don't use generalities or hearsay. I've worked there so it will reduce your credibility, not increase it.

The problem is is that I suspect you are one of those who don't want there to be real international accountability or "teeth" to international law. It is for this reason that the UN has little ability beyond the Security Council to enforce much. I for one am FOR more teeth with the UN. It's kinda like, without real accountability measures laws become a joke. The people who don't want that are like those who think that if we didn't have any police or judicial system that laws would just be followed. Or, they don't want to actually be held accountability at the international level. The strong (West in this case) clearly don't want more teeth because they have the power to bully everyone.

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
a reply to: JUhrman

I would imagine that a couple world wars destroying everything tends to make you look for a peaceful solution.

Exactly. This is something that maybe Americans are not familiar with anymore. The real horrors of war for the civilian population being a valid reason for trying everything to avoid it. Even compromise.

Even accepting to loose a bit of sovereignty to increase the common well being.

Clearly not in the American mentality (again I believe it's part of the culture and part of the natural aversion to anything looking socialist).

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14


That is a big list of great sounding goals.
Not happening but it sounds great.

Try getting goal 5 implemented in Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia.
then you can explain how they plan on paying for all these lofty goals.

At least they try.

You can't say the same about a lot of people.

They are even some people who rather want them not to try... They are the real problem IMHO