The Original Sin was the Mix between Human DNA and the DNA of the Fallen Angels.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
A lot of people seem to think that in Genesis when it describes that Eve ate the fruit from the tree of Knowledge, most people think this to mean it was a fruit taken from a literal tree. But was it simply a fruit taken from a tree? Or was this a reference to something else?

It's an allegory.

By deliberately disobeying God, both Adam and Eve committed an intentional sin, separating themselves from God's presence.

The "knowledge" gained was that one could do this. Not some magic apple with info in it. The actual phrase used is "Etz ha-da'at tov va-ra", not "the tree of knowledge" but "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil". Prior, neither Adam nor Eve knew what evil was, as they lived in total obedience, and there were no rules other than "don't do this one thing". So they couldn't disobey any law except that one. And they did.

After, they knew sin, guilt, shame, blame, etc. So, the story is a set of archetypal behavior and allegory. It's not meant to be interpreted as there being a literal tree with info fruit on it.

They were innocent...and YHWH let the "rabid dog" or "serpent" loose to tempt them. The fault lies with him...not them. It was a total set up.
Let me ask you a question...would YOU allow something evil in the yard with your innocent children??
Either YHWH isn't omniscient...or, he decided to allow them to be tempted (not knowing what the outcome would be). OR...he KNEW what the outcome would be, yet allowed it anyway. Still means he's the guilty party.
Cause guess what? Neither you nor I asked to be participants in this chess game. Yet, here we are. Oh, and WE are to blame for it....according to the "god" of Eden.
Either way, the blame still lies with him.

a reply to: AVoiceOfReason

This one is MASSIVE..the balls..and the knowledge. .the bull..what's your name. You humble me

a reply to: Bedlam
It's not an allegory.

In reality, disbelief in the Genesis account undermines faith in Jesus. Such disbelief also makes it impossible to understand some of the Bible’s greatest themes and most reassuring promises. Among scholars, intellectuals, and historians, it was once popular to attest that the events recorded in the Bible book of Genesis were true and historical. These days, skepticism about all such matters is more in fashion. And many favor the description "it's allegorical" or "it's an allegory". Some claim that the tree of knowledge and the tree of life seem mythical (instead of mere allegory, which basically argues for the same thing, that neither were actual trees).

3. The tree of knowledge and the tree of life seem mythical.

Actually, the Genesis account does not teach that these trees had any peculiar or supernatural powers of their own. Rather, they were actual trees that Jehovah invested with symbolic meaning.

Do not humans do something similar at times? For instance, a judge may warn against the crime of acting in contempt of court. It is not the furniture, fixtures, and walls of the courtroom itself that the judge wants to protect from disrespect but the system of justice that the court represents. Various monarchs too have used the scepter and the crown as symbols of their sovereign authority.

What, then, did the two trees symbolize? Many complex theories have been put forward. The genuine answer, while simple, is quite profound. The tree of the knowledge of good and bad represented a privilege that is God’s province alone—the right to determine what is good and what is bad. (Jeremiah 10:23) No wonder it was a crime to steal from that tree! The tree of life, on the other hand, represented a gift that only God can bestow—everlasting life.—Romans 6:23.

Source: Was There Really a Garden of Eden?

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor

They were innocent...and YHWH let the "rabid dog" or "serpent" loose to tempt them. The fault lies with him...not them. It was a total set up.
Let me ask you a question...would YOU allow something evil in the yard with your innocent children??
Either YHWH isn't omniscient...or, he decided to allow them to be tempted (not knowing what the outcome would be). OR...he KNEW what the outcome would be, yet allowed it anyway. Still means he's the guilty party.
Cause guess what? Neither you nor I asked to be participants in this chess game. Yet, here we are. Oh, and WE are to blame for it....according to the "god" of Eden.
Either way, the blame still lies with him.

Free will and our own choices in life.

If you told your children not to put their hand in the fire or you`d get burned and they disobeyed and got burned, how is that the parents fault.

After Christ return and His reign of 1000 years of peace, you already know what happens, the serpent is let loose again, why? maybe we get bored? but its about our free will.

God-telling the end from the beginning, I see it as Gods plan, He only wants those who, by choice of their own free will belong and obey Him, and know Him through His own shed blood which covers us all who believe and made the way to Him, which was Gods plan from the corruption in Genesis.3: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. The serpents head and who`s heel? Christs heel.

fallen Angel/s mixing with women producing the Nephilim also referred to as the giants or "mighty men of old, men of renown" makes me wonder about the Titians and whether their legends were based on some of these men.

Its an interesting topic and have recently bought the Book of Enoch and the book of Jasher and yet to read them.

The mixing of DNA as the original sin definitely has merit imo and have had that line of thought for some years now, but I don`t bother myself too much with it.

a reply to: gps777

If you told your children not to put their hand in the fire or you`d get burned and they disobeyed and got burned, how is that the parents fault.

Why give them the choice in the first place? It's like YHWH WANTED evil to be a choice. I mean, why put the TREE there in the first place? (or let the "serpent" in the garden?)
Not only that, but if your "child" burned their hand on the fire you told them not to touch....would you scoop them up, comfort them, and get some medicine to help it feel better? OR....would you curse them, kick them out of your house, and tell them life is going to suck really, really, bad for them from now on? (at least until you waited some 2000 years to fix it).
Really now.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

That is a clear indication that the knowledge they acquired from the "tree of knowledge of good and evil" was about sex.

I think its a cause effect thing ...What caused the effect was disobedience ...Jesus spoke to the leaders of His day Mark 7:13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that."

Later that oral tradition would become codified and called the Talmud ... Now a good study is one that Micheal Heiser has put out .The text is here www.nakedbiblepodcast.com... and the podcast is here www.nakedbiblepodcast.com...

Also a bigger picture to take into consideration for understanding the bible is Jesus's roll in reversing Hermon which is the place the Watchers came down .Understanding this opens up the NT to a better understanding of some of the text .Heiser has a Lecture on this and is very good www.youtube.com...

a reply to: guitarplayer

Please show me where Elohim has manifested in the physical in the OT.

Elohim is more of a term that breaks down to someone from over there in the unseen realm ...Terms like God /gods come from the term Elohim ...A good example of this is 1st Samuel 28:1 ...

Sa 28:11 Then the woman said, “Whom shall I bring up for you?” He said, “Bring up Samuel for me.” 1Sa 28:12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman said to Saul, “Why have you deceived me? You are Saul.” 1Sa 28:13 The king said to her, “Do not be afraid. What do you see?” And the woman said to Saul, “I see a god coming up out of the earth.” 1Sa 28:14 He said to her, “What is his appearance?” And she said, “An old man is coming up, and he is wrapped in a robe.” And Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground and paid homage.

the word god comes from elohim

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The mix of human DNA with fallen angel DNA is a sin every human is born with. We still have some remnants of the dna from the 200 fallen angels who had begotten children/Nephilim.

A few things .Gods salvation does not include fallen angels or the hybrids they produced .Demons are spirits of deceased Nephlim . I don't see the dna thing being a issue after the cross as resurrection .... Taking a simple thing like a horse and a donkey to produce a mule it ends with the mule ...I think Jesus ended that ability or the power to continuing that process ... All we have today are the demons and left over ruins of a pre-flood civilization and a few places that Joshua and others after him destroyed ... Not saying that there might not still be some around but it seems doubtful to me .

What a load of bollox. Angels were sent here to procreate with the native women. The reason for this was that we could to iinsert code into both your genome and DNA. That "code" has now evolved to a place where we can now start editing our your code in order for Humanity to be brought to light.
The Time of angels, the time of the light has begun
Were Back - just saying

Original sin was not made by Adam (man) but by Lord God.

How?

To understand this you first have to see that Gods creation in Genesis Chapter 1. is way different than Lord Gods creation in Genesis Chapter 2.

They are not related one bit.

- God created the heaven and the Earth first. Lord God created Adam from the dust on the ground first.

- God said: let Earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. Lord God formed a garden eastward in Eden, it is quite spesific where this garden is put.

- God said: Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. Lord God placed Adam into the garden of Eden as the first living thing there.

- And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

- And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

What did Lord God do next?

- And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


- What did God say about the trees and the seeds?

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. There is not mention of a forbidden tree....in genesis Chapter 1.

What did Lord God do next?

And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

In Genesis Chapter 1. God has not created man yet at this stage. Pay also attention to what Lord God creates. Lord God cretaes every beast of the Field. This includes the serpent. Chapter 3. Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. Adam must have named this serpent since Adam named everything. The name of the serpent must be a very well kept Secret since the name is not mentioned in any teksts. Probably do to that Our religion is based on Lord Gods work.


In Genesis Chapter 1. Man (male and female) are created at the end of Gods creation. In genesis Chapter 2. Lord God form man (Adam, male only) from the dust on the ground as his first duty and forms woman at the end.

Adam (man, male) is not even created by God. Adam is created by Lord God. Adam (man) is made from the Properties of Earth. The woman is not formed of Earth, but from Adams rib. The Woman is also formed in the Garden of Eden ,not on Earth.

- Not once is the woman called Eve by Adam when they are living eastwards in the garden of Eden. Not until Adam is forced to leave Eden does he Call his wife Eve. Adam gives the woman the name Eve for one reason. Because she is the mother of all life. In other Words the woman is the tree of life. The woman Eve can not be the mother of all life, because she was formed last.


Who was cast out from the Garden?

Only man (male,Adam) was cast out of the garden, because Adam was the only one who broke Lord Gods command. The woman did not because the woman was not formed when the command was given. The command was only given to Adam (man, male). There is indirectly specified that there is a big difference between male and female. In Lod Gods world.

It is also specifically mentioned who was cast out in genesis Chapter 3. verse 23.

23. Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

The woman was not taken from Earth. So she could not have been sendt back from where she was taken.


Since Adam (male) is not a creation of God. Did man really sin against God?

No, Adam (male) only sinned against Lord God. Adam only sinned against his creator.

Moste of Our religion is based on Lord Gods Properties not Gods.


We who live on Earth today could very likely be Lord Gods hybrid humans. Mixed With Gods females. The woman from the garden of eden was not cast out.

a reply to: spy66

God created the heaven and the Earth first. Lord God created Adam from the dust on the ground first.

But wouldn't you need someone to Lord over in order to be a Lord God .Prior to Gods creation of man ,that piece of the equation is missing that is needed . Its somewhat similar in the aftermath of the Tower of Babel . God creates the Nations and then chooses one man (Abram) to create a nation for Himself and expects loyalty and for Him to be their Lord .

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: spy66

God created the heaven and the Earth first. Lord God created Adam from the dust on the ground first.

But wouldn't you need someone to Lord over in order to be a Lord God .Prior to Gods creation of man ,that piece of the equation is missing that is needed . Its somewhat similar in the aftermath of the Tower of Babel . God creates the Nations and then chooses one man (Abram) to create a nation for Himself and expects loyalty and for Him to be their Lord .

Its seams that the important piece of the Equation was left out after God created the heaven and the Earth (genesis Chapter 1).

The only God that would favour a specific Group of people would be the likes of Lord God. Thee God created man as male and female (Equal). God never mentions that male should be ranked higher than woman (female). That is Lord Gods work.

In Genesis God states that man (male and female): And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them

Initially both male and female are created Equal.

# me - seems we've ;eft the world in a complete mess. So we may need to start at the beginning again..in the meantime we can start by restoring the dignity of some much-maligned Biblical figures...
first one up -
Lilith www.amazon.com...

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Your mindset has a character attached to it.

Why does a warning become a temptation? You are sick. Quit choking yourself during masturbation.

You do not understand, yet your heart is not that of a child either.

Evil was created, because how else do you divide omnipresent good? 'With resistance, aka Time, aka slow motion. Time was a failed experiment. Some sad #s stay sad about it forever. Time is an illusion. Problem already solved outside of it. Jjsg awaiting your conciousness to catch up. Which it won't, reincarnate.

a reply to: spy66

Initially both male and female are created Equal.

Yes and are still considered so ...

In Genesis God states that man (male and female): And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So God made man lord over or have dominion over the fish,fowl etc. Had God not created the fish fowl etc man would not of had dominion over anything .

God also created a heavenly host but their domain is not here .He put them over the Nations at Babel but they were poor stewards and wind up in Psalm 82 being judged by God .

originally posted by: FryMelton
Evil was created, because how else do you divide omnipresent good?

If evil wasn't created your line of reasoning or thinking is a bit of a dead end. This whole 'evil was created' line of reasoning, arguing or thinking is an oldie anyway:

a reply to: JusticeLover

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The older sections I Enoch (mainly in the Book of the Watchers) of the text are estimated to date from about 300–200 BC, and the latest part (Book of Parables) probably to 100 BC.(3)
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en.wikipedia.org...

The Book of the Watchers is estimated being from 300-200 Before Christ, and the latest part to around 100 Before Christ.

So how could this be "an invention of the first few centuries of Christianity"?

a reply to: spy66

Except that God/Elohim created Adam first from clay and breathed into him. God/Elohim saw that Adam needed a companion, so he created a female from his rib.

So originally Elohim created a male/males in the image of Elohim, and from Adams' rib he created Eve/women.

I am not saying women are lesser, but this is how God/Elohim created mankind.

The Forbidden Fruit was a Zygote. The Zygote was a product of the Seed of Satan and the Ovum of Mystery Babylon.

Adam and his Wife chose to reincarnate into a body of corruption by partaking.

The story is a about choosing different parents, not sex.

The couple were ashamed because they now had reproductive organs and tried to cover them up.