A Simple Question for 9/11 Truth Seekers.

because it's a quagmire. you WILL be bogged down and might even go under. also the very people responsible for 9/11 control the judges, courts and police.

it's all a big 'he say, she say' deal, underscored by a VERY powerful and effective media-led assumption (and promotion) of lunacy/borderline terrorism on the part of all those that question the 9/11 'omission' report.

I've been over on another 911 thread going back and forth with a fellow that is very persistent on the Official Story and anti "truther" approach and I must admit, that he's got me thinking. I don't believe the falsehood of the "Official Lie", I KNOW what happened and will never sway from what I know to be true. However, the thought came to me that perhaps those of us that know might not want to be trying to "wake people up" to what we know, because if we succeed, the consequences of a mass awakening might not be a good thing. Perhaps it is best to let the simple people stay simple, remain at their desks, shovels and cash registers doing what they do and keeping the whole screwed up machine running smoothly. The chaos that might ensue if people really knew could be far worse than a sedate flock of Sheeple wandering about with only a few strays being picked off by the wolves on the periphery of the flock occasionally. The mindless masses are mindless for a reason, someone has to do the day to day work and the wealthy elite cannot be counted on to be functional now can they? Not upsetting the apple cart MAY be the best approach, after all WE know, why does everyone have to know? Let them eat cake!

a reply to: BennyHavensOh

Have you considered that the fella from the other thread is actually disinfo for the truther side? Like, make the OS-side so unlikeable that people won't believe it. It's the internet and anything goes. The tactics on display make me wonder

a reply to: samkent

Isn't it interesting how the producers of these 911 vids hide their identity?
That say's they can't stand behind their work.

James Corbett. Corbett Report.
It's written right there under the youtube video.

originally posted by: bobbypurify
a reply to: BennyHavensOh

Have you considered that the fella from the other thread is actually disinfo for the truther side? Like, make the OS-side so unlikeable that people won't believe it. It's the internet and anything goes. The tactics on display make me wonder

sigh....

please tell me you are not being serious?

a reply to: BennyHavensOh

the thought came to me that perhaps those of us that know might not want to be trying to "wake people up" to what we know, because if we succeed, the consequences of a mass awakening might not be a good thing.

I think this point or one very similar to that was made earlier in the thread.

I think it is a really good point, I pretty much believe the official narrative but if I put that aside I could stretch to that, the idea that the truth would have such a profound global impact that it would be in nobodies interest to pursue it further than some cyber activism. However, at the same time i can see the other side of this argument as well. If A&E for 9/11 truth for example will go as far as to have huge bill boards put up in major cities all over the world then why stop at that, why not go all out and start building up a legal case?

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Yeah, it was a serious post. You don't think trolls exist on the internet? Have you ever been on a sports message board and seen poster pose as a fan from another team? I can tell you assuredly that this happens. So, it could happen here and I'm confident it does.

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4
because it's a quagmire. you WILL be bogged down and might even go under. also the very people responsible for 9/11 control the judges, courts and police.

it's all a big 'he say, she say' deal, underscored by a VERY powerful and effective media-led assumption (and promotion) of lunacy/borderline terrorism on the part of all those that question the 9/11 'omission' report.

This is the logic I have as well. One needs only to look at what happened when people questioned
the Pearl Harbor Investigation, as well as the Warren Commission's diatribe on the Kennedy Assassination.
Best leave sleeping dogs lie until those that cannot be hurt by re-inquiry, are long gone. Sad fact.

originally posted by: charlyv

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4
because it's a quagmire. you WILL be bogged down and might even go under. also the very people responsible for 9/11 control the judges, courts and police.

it's all a big 'he say, she say' deal, underscored by a VERY powerful and effective media-led assumption (and promotion) of lunacy/borderline terrorism on the part of all those that question the 9/11 'omission' report.

This is the logic I have as well. One needs only to look at what happened when people questioned
the Pearl Harbor Investigation, as well as the Warren Commission's diatribe on the Kennedy Assassination.
Best leave sleeping dogs lie until those that cannot be hurt by re-inquiry, are long gone. Sad fact.

I don't think such fears are really that well founded in today's internet age.

If say the big talking heads of the 9/11 truth movement were to all club together and build a legal case against the American government for example for alleged complicity in the 9/11 attacks. And if we assume that there really was a false flag at play the preps would not dare to start knocking off the likes of Alex Jones or anyone connected to the project. It would just be such a huge coup for the team putting together the legal action, it would spread round the internet like wildfire. If (i stress IF) there was some kind of nefarious conspiracy to be answered to then those behind the legal action would be protected by their public image.

An important point to remember first and foremost is that the US Government does not care in the slightest how man human beings they have to kill to further their agenda and they never did. From the very first Europeans to settle here, wiping out anyone and anything that stood in the way of them grabbing more land, more power, more assets was done. The firebombing of Dresden during WWII may have killed 100's of thousands of civilians, but even the US government studies on it's effects showed that it only served to stiffen resistance. And when Bob McNamara read this report it did not stop him from carpet bombing North Vietnam with even more ordinance that we used in WWII to NO effect. Top US generals begged to be allowed to nuke North Vietnam and we have been in the business of slaughtering civilians everywhere on the globe since then. Civilians that never served in the military will say "Oh but those weren't Americans, it's different, they would never kill Americans". Never a more ludicrous idea was formed in the minds of the simple. THEY DON"T CARE, they never cared. Colonels become generals when lots of people get killed and generals tack on more stars until their lapels are full. No one calls the dead murder victims, they are casualties, as in casual, wow how relaxing. NEVER TRUST THE GOVERNMENT, PERIOD END OF STORY. They lie for a living and cannot even spell truth much less speak it.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Some people tried. To put it on a smaller scale its like going to a corrupt Mexican police department and lamenting the corruption of the local police and its collusion with organized crime. You are lucky if you are not disappeared.

The government is under control down to the core. It is transnational. The only way to have anything to happen is if there were a collective coup within the govt which is a fixture beyond any administration.

originally posted by: BennyHavensOh
The firebombing of Dresden during WWII may have killed 100's of thousands of civilians,

You really should not believe nazi propaganda!

As such, "grossly inflated" casualty figures have been promulgated over the years, many based on a figure of over 200,000 deaths quoted in a forged version of the casualty report, Tagesbefehl No. 47, that originated with Hitler's Reich Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels.[121][122][123]

In reality....

Since 1989, despite extensive excavation for new buildings, no war-related bodies have been found.[85] Seeking to establish a definitive casualty figure, in part to address propagandisation of the bombing by far-right groups, the Dresden city council in 2005 authorized an independent Historian commission to conduct a new, thorough investigation, collecting and evaluating all possible sources by modern scientific methods. The results were published 2010 and stated that a minimum of 22,700[3] and a maximum of 25,000 people[4] were killed.

en.wikipedia.org...

but even the US government studies on it's effects showed that it only served to stiffen resistance.

Sure about that?

A report by the U.S. Air Force Historical Division (USAFHD) analyzed the circumstances of the raid and concluded that it was militarily necessary and justified, based on the following points:[6] The raid had legitimate military ends, brought about by exigent military circumstances. Military units and anti-aircraft defences were sufficiently close that it was not valid to consider the city "undefended." The raid did not use extraordinary means but was comparable to other raids used against comparable targets. The raid was carried out through the normal chain of command, pursuant to directives and agreements then in force. The raid achieved the military objective, without excessive loss of civilian life.

Even after the main firebombing, there were two further raids on the Dresden railway yards by the USAAF. The first was on 2 March 1945, by 406 B-17s, which dropped 940 tons of high-explosive bombs and 141 tons of incendiaries. The second was on 17 April, when 580 B-17s dropped 1,554 tons of high-explosive bombs and 165 tons of incendiaries.[6] As far as Dresden being a militarily significant industrial centre, an official 1942 guide described the German city as "...one of the foremost industrial locations of the Reich," and in 1944, the German Army High Command's Weapons Office listed 127 medium-to-large factories and workshops that supplied materiel to the military.[29] Dresden was the seventh largest German city, and by far the largest un-bombed built-up area left, and thus was contributing to the defence of Germany itself.[126] According to the USAFHD, there were 110 factories and 50,000 workers supporting the German war effort in Dresden at the time of the raid.[6] These factories manufactured fuses and bombsights (at Zeiss Ikon A.G.),[127] aircraft components, anti-aircraft guns, field guns, and small arms, poison gas, gears and differentials, electrical and X-ray apparatus, electric gauges, gas masks, Junkers aircraft engines, and Messerschmitt fighter cockpit parts.[6]

a reply to: hellobruce

Besides the fact that I have family members that actually dropped that incendiary ordinance on Dresden from the belly of a Liberator and gave us their first hand accounts, I have read Robert MacNamara's own books in which he stated it. It is important to read the words of those that were there and not Craki-pedia which is pure garbage.

I must add that in 2010 I went to Wikipedia and checked out there report of WWII casualties and printed it out and saved it. I just checked it and as my memory served me correctly it listed some 8 million civilian casualties then, but only 1 million just now when I checked them again. I was aware that history is constantly being changed as I helped my children with their homework over the course of the last 20 years, but this is so much more convenient. Instead of having to print new textbooks, it can all be quickly changed with keystrokes. But on the bright side, this may actually be the way we have to eliminate war altogether, by the keyboard. I think I will go over to Wiki right now and revise 911 to never having happened at all and settle our argument right now. And don't blow it off because revisionist history has been happening and accelerating and all of us old guys have lived through it. Once we are all dead you can revise it ever y day if you want, but not until we are gone.

It's all about subpoena power. If the 9/11 Commission itself felt it was struggling to gain access to things and people(even though I'm well aware that overall they felt their report was accurate and complete) then it's not hard to see why this would go nowhere. For all we know it has been tried on a smaller scale and been sniffed out. Also, without going into minute detail on these issues as per your request in the thread introduction, many of the smaller things came up in the Commission Report anyway such as the Sept. 18 timeline provided by NORAD three times. You could spin the negligence issue but we all know Rice Bush Cheney Rumsfeld etc lied about prior knowledge and all the warnings they had. If they haven't been persecuted yet they never will be. Negligence on the Air Force? Doubtful case anyway and I think thus responded admirably for what they were dealing with but we also already know that technically "protocol" wasn't followed by the very fact that they were required to relay information through a hijack coordinator who wasn't even available on that day. Too much grey area in that one. Insider trading? Nope. The Commission covered that one too.
And on and on and on. There is no starting point that hasn't already been swept under the rug. I think they would have to go big and there just isn't the available evidence to crack the shell.


a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I also have a question.. When are you going to stop asking this question?

After all these years and so many times people showed you that these kind of cases get thrown out of court and ignored you still keep asking the same question..

originally posted by: whatsecret
so many times people showed you that these kind of cases get thrown out of court and ignored

Please list the exact details of all these cases that were thrown out of court....

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: whatsecret
so many times people showed you that these kind of cases get thrown out of court and ignored

Please list the exact details of all these cases that were thrown out of court....

On it, boss... lol

a reply to: whatsecret

When are you going to stop asking this question?

I post quite a lot on this forum but I think its the first time i have asked this question in a dedicated thread so I don't know what you mean.

After all these years and so many times people showed you that these kind of cases get thrown out of court and ignored you still keep asking the same question..

Care to show us a specific case that has been brought before a US court by a 9/11 truth group to try to expose the conspiracy?

Because I don't know of such a case.