Why Do People Think They Need A Gun?

originally posted by: Mianeye
a reply to: Answer

Well, i don't know, isn't it more a show of a problem with the society, than a reason for gun ownership.

Here is the reason why guns for the public is a bad idea, though ironically it is also the reason you have to own one for protection, not that it helps much in most cases.

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GUN VIOLENCE ARCHIVE 2015 TOLL OF GUN VIOLENCE ( So far )
Total Number of Incidents: 15,600
Number of Deaths1: 4,087
Number of Injuries1: 7,542
Number of Children (age 0-11) Killed/Injured1: 201
Number of Teens (age 12-17) Killed/Injured1: 737
Mass Shooting2: 80
Officer Involved Shooting2: 1,431
Home Invasion2: 702
Defensive Use2: 403
Accidental Shooting2: 669

Those statistics don't show the crimes preempted by a potential victim with a gun.

Motor vehicles, electricity, and reservoirs kill people also.

Should the speed limit be 15 mph everywhere?

Most importantly, the gun is a check on confiscatory government.

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

Should the speed limit be 15 mph everywhere?

Only near electrified reservoirs.

a reply to: Semicollegiate

Those statistics don't show the crimes preempted by a potential victim with a gun.

Yes it does, you should look a little closer.

Motor vehicles, electricity, and reservoirs kill people also.

Different issues taken cared of in other ways and IMO not comparable, irrelevant.

originally posted by: Mianeye
a reply to: Semicollegiate

Those statistics don't show the crimes preempted by a potential victim with a gun.

Yes it does, you should look a little closer.

Motor vehicles, electricity, and reservoirs kill people also.

Different issues taken cared of in other ways and IMO not comparable, irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant? Car accidents kill more people by at least 5 fold than guns do in the United States.

Why isn't there a provision to ban cars to convicted felons, or the mentally unsound?

originally posted by: superman2012

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: superman2012

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: superman2012

Or women who have little to no chance of protecting themselves when the ex comes busting through the door to "teach her a lesson".

Gee, there's just such a story in the OP's opening two posts.

Right, how many stories are there where the cops intercede before? I wonder what the ratio is, cops helping, to women shooting their ex's? Whatever though, let's keep guns in everyone's hands because of fear.

The only fear I see demonstrated is the one you've got for your fellow law abiding citizens. Me owning or carrying a firearm does not put you at risk in any way, shape, or form.

Would you fire at someone in a mall (if you carry in public) if they were shooting up the place? What if you miss? I have no fear, only amusement that someone feels they need to carry a firearm because they are so afraid.

Most of the people I know, who carry, WOULDN'T miss...just sayin...

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
...my waking life is mostly consumed with work, anime, and sushi. Oh, and arcades.

I see you conveniently left out Midget Porn.

It wasn't a given?

LOL. You are rapidly climbing up my "person I'd most like to have a beer with" list.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

It's a different problem, that in 99% of the cases are accidents, not intentional, and part of a society that couldn't work without, not comparable.

I never mentioned anything about any ban of anything, simply cause it wont work, the problem is there but not fixable, neither with ban or laws because the insane amount of guns in the public is already there and don't go away with ban or laws.

Way more people are killed or injured in and around their homes from other things than weapons. Showers , ladders , you name it. Lets all call the government in and ban ALL dangerous items just not "guns" . Oh , but this usually happens as an accident. But , so does most of the gun injuries and deaths. How about automobile accidents ? I did not even count those in in the first statement . Everyone has to take a driving test to get a license to drive. This test is supposedly to make sure a person knows how to RESPONSIBLY operate a vehicle. Do they ? Took a cruise down a major highway lately ? Maybe we should be talking about banning issues or stricter automobile driver "regulations". Guns , autos , showers dont kill people the people kill people. Oh , wait, a person can live without a gun , right? Tell that to some victims that could have used one but could not have one. Ghandi once stated the darkest day ever in his country was the day the government took the weapons of the people.

a reply to: Gothmog

Oh , but this usually happens as an accident. But , so does most of the gun injuries and deaths.

No.

originally posted by: Gothmog
Way more people are killed or injured in and around their homes from other things than weapons. Showers , ladders , you name it. Lets all call the government in and ban ALL dangerous items just not "guns" . Oh , but this usually happens as an accident. But , so does most of the gun injuries and deaths. How about automobile accidents ? I did not even count those in in the first statement . Everyone has to take a driving test to get a license to drive. This test is supposedly to make sure a person knows how to RESPONSIBLY operate a vehicle. Do they ? Took a cruise down a major highway lately ? Maybe we should be talking about banning issues or stricter automobile driver "regulations". Guns , autos , showers dont kill people the people kill people. Oh , wait, a person can live without a gun , right? Tell that to some victims that could have used one but could not have one. Ghandi once stated the darkest day ever in his country was the day the government took the weapons of the people.

I agree with what you are saying.

Like a car, one has to go through a training class, pass a test, and get a state license to carry a gun in public.

Like a car, one does not need a license, training, or classes to have a gun on private property only.

Unlike a car, one cannot legally own a gun at all or even be in the same room with one if one is convicted of a felony, or misdemeanor domestic violence, or is on probation, or has a restraining order against them. (Except certain actors and politicians it seems).

Thus, i've never understood some people's "treat guns like cars" points.

originally posted by: Mianeye
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

It's a different problem, that in 99% of the cases are accidents, not intentional, and part of a society that couldn't work without, not comparable.

I never mentioned anything about any ban of anything, simply cause it wont work, the problem is there but not fixable, neither with ban or laws because the insane amount of guns in the public is already there and don't go away with ban or laws.

But they are comparable. They're both tools capable of killing someone in the wrong hands. Assault someone with EITHER of these tools and it's "assault with a deadly weapon".

To fight terrorists, one must be vigilant; Also, there is a group of pedophiles out there that will take your children and destroy their psyche. You're going to need to be armed with a lot more than a gun to complete this mission.

originally posted by: Mianeye
a reply to: Gothmog

Oh , but this usually happens as an accident. But , so does most of the gun injuries and deaths.

No.

Classic statement for some here. One word reply . No facts , no figures , no links. Just a denial . Wonderfull.....

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Sigh...

You win, i'm not in the mood for illogical discussions.

a reply to: Gothmog

Seriously dude, i posted 15000 facts on page one, and look above.

I think it is more about assumptions and beliefs. People can become a bit possessive and tyrannical when you start treading on these. Unfortunately, the OP made a slight mistake in titling his post. People have a large variety of misconceptions when it come to emotional issues.

The average person will say pain is a horrible thing, but without the ability to feel pain, we would have not made if very far as a species. IMHO, I feel the same about fear. Pain nor fear are not just for weak people and things that should be rejected or scorned.

This illusion perpetrated on us through, comic books, cartoons, movies, and TV, that everybody has to be a super tough badass, to be considered of worth, is one hell of successful con job. Okay, when I was a kid, we didn't have a TV. Drop your mouth and put your tongue back in your mouth. Yeah. Some of us old farts are still around. I got my illusions through wild tales told to me by my Blarney Stone kissing Irish-Jewish grandfather, books and the radio. That is all we had. That and our imagination, so we can be forgiven, for believing what we were told by the government by way of news reels, watch the mouth, or the media. We had no way of checking and the lies, the brainwashing advertising, and the conditioning, just kept on coming. Bigger! Brighter! Extra! Free! and East Cred-dot, were the buzz words of a century.

I admit, we paved the way for this fiasco we are in the middle of, but we have a good excuse. We were dupped. You have the access to the knowledge of the entire world at your fingertips, yet you are still falling for the con. Stop believing this crap. Stop looking towards other people just as lost and confused as you are, for your answers.

I know everyone knows the story of the Ant and the Grasshopper. It is not a matter of fear. It is a matter of fact. If you do not prepare you are either at the mercy of those that have prepared, or you are screwed, if something unfortunate does happen. It doesn't matter, when you are alone, hurt, cold, wet, hungry and defenseless. And if the possibility doesn't frighten you, then you are either mentally deficient, or delusional. Don't tell me you are just an optimistic individual that rejects all negative things, therefore you are protected. If that is true, we should line you all up around the entire planet and let you work your magic. Then the rest of us can get rid of all the guns, stop working, stop preparing and just wait for you guys to send milk, honey and manna down to us.

I didn't mean to get testy but let's be honest. Life has some pretty nasty curve balls up it's sleeve. We all can't all be lucky, so somebody better be preparing. I think we are extremely stupid not to be Grasshoppers, especially since our government is spending so much money that we "don't" have "preparing" for something. I guess they are terrified of something. I wonder what?

Without reading most of the posts I can reply that my reason is due to having had cougars snatch my chickens in broad daylight (and bears trash my beehives and coops at night) in the same area my kids hang out. We have never killed an animal, other than a weasel caught trying to kill a pet rabbit. I believe they have a right to pass through, as we are in their territory, but my kids come first. We live in a corridor with the highest cougar population in North America as well as the most aggressive population of cats.

A gun is just a tool to use in an extreme emergency or hunting and it is getting ridiculous all my urban friends on facebook and their anti-gun wrath.

originally posted by: Mianeye
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Sigh...

You win, i'm not in the mood for illogical discussions.

I'm sorry you don't feel like debating, I feel I raise valid points. They're both deadly weapons. Yes the circumstances for their use is different, and 61% of gun deaths are suicides, but they're both still deadly weapons.

originally posted by: Mianeye
a reply to: Semicollegiate

Those statistics don't show the crimes preempted by a potential victim with a gun.

Yes it does, you should look a little closer.

Motor vehicles, electricity, and reservoirs kill people also.

Different issues taken cared of in other ways and IMO not comparable, irrelevant.

You implied the number of deaths associated with guns are unacceptable.

Which deaths are OK?

Collectivist caused deaths are OK, individualist deaths are totally unconscionable, right?

If gun caused deaths are too much, you should live as a cabbage farmer.