Unidentified Lying Object at the LHC.

It is obviously Alien's. Nothing else makes sense. You can't say it's not Aliens so it most probably could be. Wonder how l9ng they will stay. "Short Aliens" not the tall ones.

Left inside a vacuum tube, that means its sealed, was it unsealed? if not, how did the laying/lying object get into the tube?

Well either this scientist doesn't check his e-mail or he's just not responding. This is infuriating. I can't substantiate this until he gives me this response. At the moment we can only guess as to what it is in the vacuum.

Someone said lead, and I'd be interested to hear how lead gets to just lay on the bottom of a sealed chamber, that when started, had no 'lying object' in it.

As I say, this scientist is being tight lipped about this to prevent embarrassment, think bird with a sandwich, or as stated he's just not a big e-mail guy!

I am still waiting on his response, and will post it here as promised. I'll chase this down, it's burning my head out!

originally posted by: Joneselius
De Roeck is a leading scientist on CMS, one of the Large Hadron Collider’s key experiments

De Roeck said. “It’s in the vacuum tube and it’s not a problem if it doesn’t move and remains stable.”

That's not very scientific,is it?

Literally a big IF! wow to science these days

originally posted by: intrptr
Cool…

This time everyone is wary of the "Unidentified Lying Object" problem, called such because if there is even the tiniest debris - a nitrogen particle - the beam could be disrupted. Such an object would be unidentified because the beam pipe is a sealed vacuum.

Read more: www.science20.com...

As I understand these things the vacuum in vacuum systems is many times purer than in space. The smallest particle of anything can disrupt the works, but shouldn't present a problem if it doesn't enter the beam.

Wrong, space represents a 'cleaner' vacuum than anything we can create. The analogy goes that even with space filled with all matter, visible &dark &dark nrg, it has less density than one atom in the entirety of the space of the boeing spaceship construction hangar. We can achieve close to that but not better.

Is it E=Mc² in reverse?

a reply to: Joneselius

Maybe it's a tachyon?

Rebel 5

They are messing with building blocks of life, and have no idea what to expect or any results, only assume results based on currently accepted physics and science.

What do they expect when something manifests from smashing matter together. . It shouldn't ? Lol.

That "disCERNs" joke made me laugh, nice

originally posted by: MacChiavell1

originally posted by: intrptr
Cool…

This time everyone is wary of the "Unidentified Lying Object" problem, called such because if there is even the tiniest debris - a nitrogen particle - the beam could be disrupted. Such an object would be unidentified because the beam pipe is a sealed vacuum.

Read more: www.science20.com...

As I understand these things the vacuum in vacuum systems is many times purer than in space. The smallest particle of anything can disrupt the works, but shouldn't present a problem if it doesn't enter the beam.

Wrong, space represents a 'cleaner' vacuum than anything we can create. The analogy goes that even with space filled with all matter, visible &dark &dark nrg, it has less density than one atom in the entirety of the space of the boeing spaceship construction hangar. We can achieve close to that but not better.

Do tell…

as thin as space

There are occasionally Really Good Reasons not to screw around with currently inert random mystery objects you find in energy research labs. Especially when vacuum(s) are involved. Sometimes, you run across this sort of thing:

a reply to: rickymouse

Yes, by all means they should clean out all the existing subatomic particles in the tube. How long is that tube in kilometers?

Rofl

a reply to: MacChiavell1

Just a clarification: dark matter, and dark energy are theoretical constructs that have not been observed in the wild.

a reply to: Joneselius

Possibly some form of Exotic matter?

a reply to: pikestaff

Exactly...how did subatomic matter "get in there"?

Um.. Geez... Subatomic matter is everywhere, no?

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: rickymouse

Yes, by all means they should clean out all the existing subatomic particles in the tube. How long is that tube in kilometers?

Rofl

Evidently they know exactly where that lying thing is. It wouldn't be hard to send in some little robotic toy to vacuum it up.

It's not a lying object we should be worried about, it is objective lying there that conCerns me.

originally posted by: JoneseliusHis words just don't inspire confidence in me at all.

This bit concerns me the most " it’s just something to keep an eye on". Well okay, then what is it? He's a scientist but he's content to call something 'it' in one of the most highly debated scientific studies in modern history? I'm confused.

He's the expert, not you.. Chill

I belong to a website that helps hunt certain things of scientific interest. They have a multitude of projects from the Serengeti to Asteroids. One of their projects I received before the CERN was re-initiated had to do with the Collider.

Hey there,
Today we launched our latest citizen science project, and it's a real beauty!

On Higgs Hunters we need you to look through data from the ATLAS experiment at CERN's Large Hadron Collider, where protons are smashed together at one billion kilometres per hour in order to create new particles and give us a better understanding of the building blocks that make up our Universe.

Specifically we are asking you to search through roughly 90,000 images from the ATLAS detector for tiny sub-atomic explosions caused when a Higgs boson 'dies', which some scientists think could generate a new kind of particle, previously undetected.

Begin your search for new and exciting particles now at Higgins Hunters.org

Some of you might know more about what this is displaying than I who knows nothing, but love to hear you all talk about it.

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: symphonyofblase
So basically what your saying is that its just lying there?

Not what I said, It's what the "scientist" said.

ITs a bit stupid, to continue on an experiment with contaminants. Or am I being too cautious. lol geeez