Freddie Gray's Death Ruled a Homicide; 6 Officers Charged!

a reply to: WarminIndy
I hope you never have to experience anything like it, it's not fun.

Folks, you are acting like no one knew this guy. He was a Confidential Informant and had more than 20 arrests. They knew who he was. The neighborhood did...the cops did. They heard his lookout as they were rolling up. He ran.

It has been reported that the cops came upon a suspected drug deal. This is why I feel it is so important to here something from the man who was next to him when this occurred.

This is far from over. Lifting the curfew. Who cares...it is not like it was enforced.

I am waiting for a revenge attacks to start and be reported....in 3...2...1...

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: WarminIndy
I hope you never have to experience anything like it, it's not fun.

I was hoping it wasn't normal in your world.

But if I were assaulted, yes, I would call the police.

I witnessed a grown man beating a little girl on the side of the street, I called the police on him. I came upon him and when he saw me he stopped, but I had no problem calling the police.

He was kind of dumb though, he actually thought he would have a conversation with me, he told me his name and who he was visiting in my building. But he knew that I called the police.

a reply to: WarminIndy
I lived in white plains NY for a short time after I graduated high school. That incident there was the last straw, moved back to the country and never looked back.Too many crazies, and too many cops harassing people. No thanks to cities lol.

originally posted by: marg6043
Well this is interesting, Mr. Gray had a warrant that was issue in March 13th, for assault. if that warrant is still active that will make the reason for arrest and can possibly throw out that he was arrested unlawfully. Depending of the law in some states a person under probation can not have any type of weapon in his possession

I think is a lot we still don't know yet about what is going on as days goes by.

This link have a copy of the warrant, if somebody had posted this please ignore.


universalfreepress.com...#

The problem with this defense, is that the arresting officer didn't seem to be aware of this warrant, and didn't include it in his report as probable cause for the chase and subsequent arrest.

Do you see what you're doing? You're trying to alter history to protect the police.

Perhaps, Freddie Grey knew about the warrant, if this is a valid document, and that's why he ran. But, clearly, the arresting officer didn't arrest Freddie Grey on that premise. He arrested him on the premise of an illegal weapon. Those are facts on record. We can't go back and change things to justify this man's death.

originally posted by: windword

originally posted by: marg6043
Well this is interesting, Mr. Gray had a warrant that was issue in March 13th, for assault. if that warrant is still active that will make the reason for arrest and can possibly throw out that he was arrested unlawfully. Depending of the law in some states a person under probation can not have any type of weapon in his possession

I think is a lot we still don't know yet about what is going on as days goes by.

This link have a copy of the warrant, if somebody had posted this please ignore.


universalfreepress.com...#

The problem with this defense, is that the arresting officer didn't seem to be aware of this warrant, and didn't include it in his report as probable cause for the chase and subsequent arrest.

Do you see what you're doing? You're trying to alter history to protect the police.

Perhaps, Freddie Grey knew about the warrant, if this is a valid document, and that's why he ran. But, clearly, the arresting officer didn't arrest Freddie Grey on that premise. He arrested him on the premise of an illegal weapon. Those are facts on record. We can't go back and change things to justify this man's death.

Which is circular.

If he knew, then ran, brought attention to himself by running, police chased him....

Reasonable suspicion. And are they guilty before the trial?

I thought we were supposed to say "innocent until proven guilty". If you do it for Gray, you have to do it for them as well. Are they guilty in your mind already?

Let's wait for more evidence.

a reply to: WarminIndy

WTH? Are the police "Thought Police" now?

I thought we were supposed to say "innocent until proven guilty". If you do it for Gray, you have to do it for them as well. Are they guilty in your mind already?

This is pure denial. There's solid evidence. A man is dead. Someone has to be held accountable. This is the real world. Sometimes, there's a fall guy, falling because the whole system is about to crumble. There are martyrs on both sides, you know.

a reply to: WarminIndy

Wow, the BPD sure has a lot of dispatchers. Another assault, the coroner has been called out once...guys running through Baltimore with guns. I am sure glad I'm not in Baltimore.

On another thread they are commenting that Sheriff Victor Hill shot a woman in a model home, but they are saying it doesn't matter because he's black, now it is just a bad cop.

Why is there such cognitive dissonance with these people? When a white cop does this, it's racist, when a black cop does this it's not racist. What is up with that?

a reply to: WarminIndy

I am sure glad I'm not in Baltimore.

OR TEXAS!

City: 2 gunmen killed outside Muhammad cartoon contest

a reply to: WarminIndy

I thought we were supposed to say "innocent until proven guilty".

As has been pointed out in this thread. It is not the provence of law enforcement to determine innocence or guilt. That is what courts are for.

The police may have well been acting in a perfectly legal manner as far as the arrest goes. That is not the issue. The issue is what occurred afterward. While the arrest will undoubtedly be brought up in court, it will not be the deciding factor. Shouldn't be, anyway.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: WarminIndy

WTH? Are the police "Thought Police" now?

I thought we were supposed to say "innocent until proven guilty". If you do it for Gray, you have to do it for them as well. Are they guilty in your mind already?

This is pure denial. There's solid evidence. A man is dead. Someone has to be held accountable. This is the real world. Sometimes, there's a fall guy, falling because the whole system is about to crumble. There are martyrs on both sides, you know.

I don't believe he is a martyr, neither do I believe the police officers will be either.

Yes, the police sometimes do have to be "thought police" whether we agree or not.

If the evidence of a dead man is a dead man, that only proves he is a dead man. Let's wait. Innocent until proven guilty.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: WarminIndy

OR TEXAS!

City: 2 gunmen killed outside Muhammad cartoon contest

LOL, I missed that one.

Please put posts together so I can get the reference. My mind wanders sometimes.

Nevermind, I saw that earlier. You just edited, forgive me.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: WarminIndy

I thought we were supposed to say "innocent until proven guilty".

As has been pointed out in this thread. It is not the provence of law enforcement to determine innocence or guilt. That is what courts are for.

The police may have well been acting in a perfectly legal manner as far as the arrest goes. That is not the issue. The issue is what occurred afterward. While the arrest will undoubtedly be brought up in court, it will not be the deciding factor. Shouldn't be, anyway.

The arrest WILL be brought up in court, because the arrest was the premise for the whole event. And the police didn't say he was innocent or guilty, only that they had reasonable suspicion to arrest and that will be brought out.

a reply to: WarminIndy

The arrest WILL be brought up in court, because the arrest was the premise for the whole event.

Yes. I said it would be.

originally posted by: WarminIndy


I just read about the National Criminal Justice Commission Act 2015, can you enlighten us on this?

What is it?

I haven't heard about this.

I am assuming its a reincarnation of the National Criminal Justice Commission Act of 2013.

National Criminal Justice Commission Act of 2013

Section 1. Short title

This Act may be cited as the “ National Criminal Justice Commission Act of 2013 ”.

Sec. 2. Findings

Congress finds that—

(1) it is in the interest of the Nation to establish a commission to undertake a comprehensive review of the criminal justice system;


(2) there has not been a comprehensive study since the President’s Commission on Law Enforcement and Administration of Justice was established in 1965;


(3) that commission, in a span of 18 months, produced a comprehensive report entitled “The Challenge of Crime in a Free Society,” which contained 200 specific recommendations on all aspects of the criminal justice system involving Federal, State, tribal, and local governments, civic organizations, religious institutions, business groups, and individual citizens; and


(4) developments over the intervening 45 years require once again that Federal, State, tribal, and local governments, civic organizations, religious institutions, business groups, and individual citizens come together to review evidence and consider how to improve the criminal justice system.


Sec. 3. Establishment of commission

There is established a commission to be known as the “National Criminal Justice Commission” (referred to in this Act as the “Commission”).

Sec. 4. Purpose of the commission

The Commission shall undertake a comprehensive review of the criminal justice system, encompassing current Federal, State, local, and tribal criminal justice policies and practices, and make reform recommendations for the President, Congress, State, local, and tribal governments.

Click link to read remainder of bill that died in congress.

Its a bill to establish a commission to review the Criminal justice System and to identify problems and suggest resolutions.

a reply to: WarminIndy

No. You're asking me to wash my mind of my personal truth....and... hands up, don't shoot....authority is always right, right?

Who are you going to believe? Me, THIS

or your lying eyes?

edit on 3-5-2015 by windword because: (no reason given)