Again government admits to much Fluoride is bad

So again I know this might be viewed as an ancient conspiracy theory but when its in the news and in our face I feel obligated to say it and shout it. that hey fluoride. And go ahead and call up all the dentist from the ADA (American Dentist Association) I still say Fluoride may not be the best thing.

www.ctvnews.ca... too-much-fluoride-in-drinking-water-causing-splotchy-teeth-1.2346693

www.ctvnews.ca/health/u-s-says-too-muc h-fluoride-in-drinking-water-causing-splotchy-teeth-1.2346693

And people still don't believe you. We admit to much Fluoride is not good for you but go ahead and drink it.

originally posted by: American-philosopher
So again I know this might be viewed as an ancient conspiracy theory but when its in the news and in our face I feel obligated to say it and shout it. that hey fluoride. And go ahead and call up all the dentist from the ADA (American Dentist Association) I still say Fluoride may not be the best thing.

www.ctvnews.ca... too-much-fluoride-in-drinking-water-causing-splotchy-teeth-1.2346693

www.ctvnews.ca/health/u-s-says-too-muc h-fluoride-in-drinking-water-causing-splotchy-teeth-1.2346693

And people still don't believe you. We admit to much Fluoride is not good for you but go ahead and drink it.

Since when is too much of anything being harmful, not common sense? In the right dosage, it is helpful.

Well, I have a theory...

With police brutality now being shoved down our throats to incite anger/violence/rioting/looting...They also need to take people of fluoride, as I've read somewhere fluoride makes people passive.

You can't whip people up into a violent frenzy if they're doped up on fluoride!

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Well, I have a theory...

With police brutality now being shoved down our throats to incite anger/violence/rioting/looting...They also need to take people of fluoride, as I've read somewhere fluoride makes people passive.

You can't whip people up into a violent frenzy if they're doped up on fluoride!

That stems from a lie told about the Nazis using it to make their prisoners more docile.

a reply to: American-philosopher
Too much of anything is dangerous. Here are things that you can't live without:
Vitamin A
Vitamin D
Iron
Potassium
Calcium
Sodium

Here are things that will make you very ill and some will kill you if you take too much
Vitamin A
Vitamin D
Iron
Potassium
Calcium
Sodium

DUH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

a reply to: yorkshirelad
Don't forget to add water to both lists!

It causes brittle bones in old people and also teeth that get brittle in young people. A broken tooth still needs to be fixed.

Fluoride is a doping compound. It makes you pee out minerals too which can lead to multiple problems. Fluoride consumption should be cyclic. Like drinking tea twice a day. This is not the case when dealing with it in the water we use all the time.

Fluoride in water never was about the teeth, that is just a cover story. In order for fluoride to work on teeth the way they say, all minerals need to be balanced. It's just a calming chemistry.

That is a big reduction, almost half. But remember, they just cut it down by almost a half already a couple of years ago. Maybe now they can allow the teflon on pans again, that was adding to the dose we have. Also the potatoes and other veggies were being treated with high amounts of fluoride based miticide and they cut most of that out. Now, why such a drastic reduction in fluoride if it is completely safe?

a reply to: superman2012 Flouride is a poison. It was once an industrial waste too expensive to have taken to a secure landfill. Now, companies sell it to municipalities to put in drinking water or to companies to put in toothpaste. A tiny bit is fine, but if you drink tap water or use flouride toothpaste it is no longer a tiny bit. It is linked to early solidifying of the pineal gland and early onset puberty especially in females. Making people docile? There are studies showing yes and studies showing no. But consuming it in tap water and toothpaste is too much. When the directions say to spit and not swallow for toothpaste, they are not kidding around.

a reply to: reldra

Might want to check your "facts" out. Some of them don't make any sense.

a reply to: rickymouse

More fear. perfluorooctanoic acid (in teflon), while it does have "fluor" in it, is not even close to the "fluoride" that is in water treatment.

What was fluoride about if not for teeth if you don't mind me asking?

originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: rickymouse

More fear. perfluorooctanoic acid (in teflon), while it does have "fluor" in it, is not even close to the "fluoride" that is in water treatment.

What was fluoride about if not for teeth if you don't mind me asking?

Ok, the government severely regulated fluoride used on potatoes and some vegatables a couple of years ago. They also have a ban coming on fluoride coatings on pans which takes effect in 2016 I think. They already lowered the level of fluoride in water once about a year or two ago and are doing it again.

The government does not take this much drastic measures on such a wide spectrum unless it is known of health issues resulting from this chemical. They do it slowly without raising a red flag. This is not just about blotched teeth.

At the new rate I would say it is actually safer, but it still isn't the right way to do it.

Look at the medicines that use fluoride as a main element of their desired treatment. There are about twenty of them. When you have researched these, I will discuss the issue with you but I am not going to waste my time trying to explain this to someone who can't comprehend the properties of fluoride on our bodily functions.

There is no way in hell that I can believe anyone would put fluoride in our water supply to treat teeth. There are so many problems with that that I can't believe any scientist who understands how fluoride interacts within our bodies would back adding a highly active form of fluoride in the water. Maybe parrots would repeat what they are told though.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Well, I have a theory...

With police brutality now being shoved down our throats to incite anger/violence/rioting/looting...They also need to take people of fluoride, as I've read somewhere fluoride makes people passive.

You can't whip people up into a violent frenzy if they're doped up on fluoride!

This is true. The fact that people are drinking more bottled water could be why things are heating up. You would think the endocrine disruptors in the plastic should settle people a bit though. Maybe they should redesign the water bottles again and add fluoride to the plastic.

a reply to: rickymouse
You say this:

I will discuss the issue with you but I am not going to waste my time trying to explain this to someone who can't comprehend the properties of fluoride on our bodily functions.

Which is fair enough. I am not a chemist nor a biologist, nor do I pretend to be one on ATS. May I know where you attained your degree?
Then this:

There is no way in hell that I can believe anyone would put fluoride in our water supply to treat teeth.

Which show that you don't have the basic understanding of it being in the water as it is a cheap, efficient delivery method to aid in dental hygiene. Don't believe it coats the teeth? Ask yourself one question, why do sugary soft drinks cause cavities? They coat the teeth and mouth.

Do I believe this is the BEST method? No. It is best for now.

Also, you might want to check out the correlation between oral hygiene and overall body health. There is scads of research and science on it.

Edit: any problems that arise from fluoridated water (in treated water) would be aesthetic. Streaks on teeth, etc. Mild dental fluorosis.


Edit 2: You say this:

The government does not take this much drastic measures on such a wide spectrum unless it is known of health issues resulting from this chemical. They do it slowly without raising a red flag.

But you can't have it both ways. Is the government to be trusted, or are they not? Why in one case (that coincidentally agrees with your stance) and not in the other (which does not agree with your stance)?

a reply to: superman2012

When I was twenty one years old, I knew a woman who had her nephew die of fluoride poisoning in the army from drinking too much water during basic training. He was not alone in this, some other soldiers got very sick and I do not know if any others died. The fluoride in their water was not really that high, but when you drink many glasses a day, you can die from fluoride.

Since that time I have read just about every article I found on it and did extensive research on it on both sides of the issue on the net over the years. Now, the good in natural fluoride found in the earth bound to calcium is not a problem. But when people drink a lot of water and do not consume enough calcium and other necessary minerals that are necessary it can be a problem. Also if a person is on fluoride medicines, which there are many of, the body can get over fluoridated. Even drinking four cups of tea a day along with fluoridated water can be a problem. There is evidence of this being a problem at medical sites.

Now, even a specialist on fluoride has not read over a thousand articles by many different sources on the subject over almost forty years. You do not need a degree to look at evidence and evaluate problems that occur because of that evidence. Most people just look at one side, I look at both sides. I also looked at the combined effect of fluoride and chloride together in the drinking water.

Now, There is evidence in many legitamate sites of fluoride causing problems with brittle bones. Are you just going to discount that evidence? Doesn't a tooth qualify as a bone? Fluoride does not harden the surface of a tooth well, molybdenum does though in conjunction with a small amount of fluoride. That evidence is out there, but you can't add molybdenum to water because it's side effects can be just as bad as adding fluoride.

The compounding effect of adding fluoride to water is not good. I won't argue that toothpaste is a better way of delivering fluoride. I won't argue that some fluoride medicines and organic fluorides are not necessary in some situations. I only say that adding fluoride to the water supply is not good.

Do you know anyone who takes any of these fluoride medicines? I know many people who do. Now, should people who take these meds be drinking bottled water? slweb.org...

Fluoride is a natural element that we all need to consume. Most water contains natural fluorides. I like my coffee, coffee has natural fluorides. Many veggies contain fluorides. Fish contains fluoride. If you want fluoride, boil some soup bones and the soup will be high in fluoride and it will be in the right amount.

Now, if people eat right, they could consume excess amounts of fluoride if they also have fluoridated water. If they take some medicines they could also have a problem. If people do not intake enough calcium in their diet or improper ratios of other necessary minerals, the fluoride could cause problems. So don't these people have rights to safe drinking water? Water without added fluoride?

Like I mentioned before, the lowering of fluoride in drinking water and banning of some fluoride miticides is a good thing. If the government did not consider the risk was more than the benefit, they would not have reduced these fluoride compounds in the food chain. So the levels were told to us to be good before, now they say they weren't because of many side effects of their fluoridation.

Believe what you want, you have a right to believe something that is not real if you want. But at least listen to the people who are reducing the fluoride levels. They are not doing it without having a reason.

a reply to: rickymouse

When I was twenty one years old, I knew a woman who had her nephew die of fluoride poisoning in the army from drinking too much water during basic training. He was not alone in this, some other soldiers got very sick and I do not know if any others died. The fluoride in their water was not really that high, but when you drink many glasses a day, you can die from fluoride.

You would die from drinking too much water before you would die of fluoride poisoning even at levels before the levels they are just turning it down to.

Since that time I have read just about every article I found on it and did extensive research on it on both sides of the issue on the net over the years. Now, the good in natural fluoride found in the earth bound to calcium is not a problem. But when people drink a lot of water and do not consume enough calcium and other necessary minerals that are necessary it can be a problem. Also if a person is on fluoride medicines, which there are many of, the body can get over fluoridated. Even drinking four cups of tea a day along with fluoridated water can be a problem. There is evidence of this being a problem at medical sites.

Can be a problem? What problem? Could it be from the lack of necessary minerals and a lack of calcium? Or is it just immediately attributed to fluoride?
Please link to those medical sites, I would like to read through them. Thanks in advance!

Now, even a specialist on fluoride has not read over a thousand articles by many different sources on the subject over almost forty years. You do not need a degree to look at evidence and evaluate problems that occur because of that evidence. Most people just look at one side, I look at both sides. I also looked at the combined effect of fluoride and chloride together in the drinking water.

Why do they need to read a thousand articles when even one (with sound science) should be enough. That's why you see the same thing over and over again with the pro-fluoride group, while the other side moves the goalposts continually. What were your findings with the combined effect of fluoride and chloride (I'm guessing you meant sodium hypochlorite, commonly known as chlorine, as they are two different chemical combinations)? How did you come to this conclusion? What equipment did you use?

Now, There is evidence in many legitamate sites of fluoride causing problems with brittle bones. Are you just going to discount that evidence? Doesn't a tooth qualify as a bone? Fluoride does not harden the surface of a tooth well, molybdenum does though in conjunction with a small amount of fluoride. That evidence is out there, but you can't add molybdenum to water because it's side effects can be just as bad as adding fluoride.

Why would I discount the truth? Fluoride (in high doses) can lead to skeletal fluorosis (as long as you ignore the first sign of an overdose, dental fluorosis), that is not anything new.

The compounding effect of adding fluoride to water is not good. I won't argue that toothpaste is a better way of delivering fluoride. I won't argue that some fluoride medicines and organic fluorides are not necessary in some situations. I only say that adding fluoride to the water supply is not good.

And you are allowed to practice your personal choice, all available science says it helps.

Do you know anyone who takes any of these fluoride medicines? I know many people who do. Now, should people who take these meds be drinking bottled water?

Not the same thing, but you knew that right?

Fluoride is a natural element that we all need to consume. Most water contains natural fluorides. I like my coffee, coffee has natural fluorides. Many veggies contain fluorides. Fish contains fluoride. If you want fluoride, boil some soup bones and the soup will be high in fluoride and it will be in the right amount.

Fluoride usually found in raw water is in a concentration that is too high (on average) and can cause the very thing you are afraid fluoridated water will cause. Check out that "harvard study" on the subject, that was on raw water that was not treated.

Now, if people eat right, they could consume excess amounts of fluoride if they also have fluoridated water. If they take some medicines they could also have a problem. If people do not intake enough calcium in their diet or improper ratios of other necessary minerals, the fluoride could cause problems. So don't these people have rights to safe drinking water? Water without added fluoride?

If they eat right, why would the fluoride added to the water hurt them? Do you know how much naturally occuring fluoride is in each type of food? I linked to it in the thread I made concerning fluoride, if you would like me to find it again, I will, just give me time. Safe drinking water should be a right, adding fluoride in the concentrations they do, does not change that.

Like I mentioned before, the lowering of fluoride in drinking water and banning of some fluoride miticides is a good thing. If the government did not consider the risk was more than the benefit, they would not have reduced these fluoride compounds in the food chain. So the levels were told to us to be good before, now they say they weren't because of many side effects of their fluoridation.

They said that the levels before weren't good? Or are they learning more and realized that they were throwing money away? If they worried they were harming people, they would eliminate it altogether, what do they gain by hurting the population with fluoride??

Believe what you want, you have a right to believe something that is not real if you want. But at least listen to the people who are reducing the fluoride levels. They are not doing it without having a reason.

I believe science, case studies, research, and the fact that people are not dropping dead, are not docile, are not succumbing to skeletal fluorosis, etc. If you want to believe that they are putting the boogeyman in the water supply, that's on you. Link to me their reasons. If it supports your fear (not just cosmetic mind you) then I might have to rethink everything I have ever read about the subject.

a reply to: superman2012

Maybe you should read more on this subject. It is very possible to die from fluoride poisoning and it does not take much at all.

I read a lot of articles on this and did not comment to anyone for years about this until I was satisfied that I had learned positively that fluoride in water is bad for us. Much of the conflicting evidence against fluoridation is real. The evidence that is being used to say it is beneficial for our teeth is full of ignorance of other known issues.

Your statement about the Harvard study is severely misapplied by you, it is true that a few places have too much fluoride in the water but those places are rare. Calcium fluoride is of no concern in most places. They ignore this in figuring what they need to add fluoride because calcium fluoride is poorly absorbed unless you are deficient on calcium..

I don't know why you don't actually look at the evidence supplied by both sides and Europe. You are content in only reinforcing your beliefs I guess.

I actually read both side of the story to form my opinion. I am not a parrot that just repeats what someone says without fully researching the issue. I have examined the fluoride levels of many foods using the government sites and that is also used to make my determination that adding fluoride to water is bad. Sure there are some quacky antifluoride people out there but there are more quacky people who believe a lie out there that say fluoride is good for everyone.

I always liked this vid





Arsenic > Fluoride > Lead always makes me laugh.

a reply to: rickymouse

Maybe you should read more on this subject. It is very possible to die from fluoride poisoning and it does not take much at all.

I never claimed different. Like everything else on the planet, it's all about dosage.

I read a lot of articles on this and did not comment to anyone for years about this until I was satisfied that I had learned positively that fluoride in water is bad for us. Much of the conflicting evidence against fluoridation is real. The evidence that is being used to say it is beneficial for our teeth is full of ignorance of other known issues.

I do know that you have read quite a bit about it! You are very knowledgeable. However, quite a few myths and outright lies have also found their way into your thinking. Much of the conflicting evidence, is studies taken from raw water, that hasn't been treated. Most water treatment plants take out the fluoride in the raw water down to acceptable levels.

Your statement about the Harvard study is severely misapplied by you, it is true that a few places have too much fluoride in the water but those places are rare. Calcium fluoride is of no concern in most places. They ignore this in figuring what they need to add fluoride because calcium fluoride is poorly absorbed unless you are deficient on calcium..

I used that "Harvard Study" as it is the one that is commonly used to show that too much fluoride is bad for you. It is. There is no denying that. That is why they set the MAC's and review them. Everything we have is "best for now". Everything changes. New science comes up that shows different ideas, and if these ideas are proven to be true, they change dosage levels. None of the claims by the anti-fluoridians have been proven true in relation to properly dosed water treatment.

I don't know why you don't actually look at the evidence supplied by both sides and Europe. You are content in only reinforcing your beliefs I guess.

I have looked at both sides, hell, I used to be anti fluoride for a long time when I first heard about it. Then I started reading what the anti's were saying, and actually looking at the science behind it, myth by myth. The first one that I started to research about was that it causes heart disease. Well, in Saskatchewan both Moose Jaw and Regina get their water from the same source, from there it goes to a water treatment plant, then it splits into two lines. The Moose Jaw line gets fluoride added, and Regina's line does not. I went and looked at the health statistics and there was no difference per capita. Then I decided to see what paper suggested a link between heart disease and fluoride and it turns out that it is often cited in anti fluoride websites, but it is about injecting it in the skin to help with CT scans or something like that. LOL Hardly the same thing. But, anything that has "fluor" in it is now bad for you....

I actually read both side of the story to form my opinion. I am not a parrot that just repeats what someone says without fully researching the issue. I have examined the fluoride levels of many foods using the government sites and that is also used to make my determination that adding fluoride to water is bad. Sure there are some quacky antifluoride people out there but there are more quacky people who believe a lie out there that say fluoride is good for everyone.

You say you have researched both sides, but you sure repeat some outright lies and mistruths from the anti-fluoride groups with nothing to back it up besides personal anecdotes. If it's a personal reason, that's fine. Everyone should have the right to choose!
Also, still waiting on your reasons for saying this:

Fluoride in water never was about the teeth, that is just a cover story.

a reply to: FaceMyBook
I like the video on this thread.

a reply to: superman2012

If they eat right, why would the fluoride added to the water hurt them? Do you know how much naturally occuring fluoride is in each type of food? I linked to it in the thread I made concerning fluoride, if you would like me to find it again, I will, just give me time. Safe drinking water should be a right, adding fluoride in the concentrations they do, does not change that.

They said that the levels before weren't good? Or are they learning more and realized that they were throwing money away? If they worried they were harming people, they would eliminate it altogether, what do they gain by hurting the population with fluoride??

This is why:

Adults
Percent of adults age 20 years and over who are obese: 35.1% (2011-2012)
Percent of adults age 20 years and over who are overweight, including obesity: 69.0% (2011-2012)
Source: Health, United States, 2013, table 64[PDF - 9.8 MB]
Children and adolescents
Percent of adolescents age 12-19 years who are obese: 18.4% (2009-2010)
Percent of children age 6-11 years who are obese: 18.0% (2009-2010)
Percent of children age 2-5 years who are obese: 12.1% (2009-2010)

www.cdc.gov...

That is just a very quick search, not many in depth searches are needed on obesity across the globe....But you say all people need to do is eat right...Well, that is a HUUUUGE problem that has been going on for decades now, which just so happens that the "fluoride boom" happened just 50+ years ago also....Coincidence? I think not.....The fluoride put into water is industrial waste that they couldn't get rid of, or shall I say was too expensive to get rid of from things I have read...If money was an issue, isn't it easy to push something like this on the population and say look this will help you! (all the while saving them money and keeping the population down at the same time!)

Look, they know we all eat badly (not all but MANY) and if fluoride is only deadly against people who don't eat right, then guess what? That means MANY of your fellow man will be harmed because the truth is, we don't eat right!