The "Social Credit Behavior Score" (Certain score required to get a specific job or house)

Looks like China will pioneer this. Creating a the "new citizen", you might need a certain social justice score to get a specific job or house

Be a good little socialist or else.

So, when do you think the U.S. Establishment will push for this here?

Long article, See link for full details, highlights below:

www.volkskrant.nl...

Social Credit System, attributing to each of its 1,3 billion citizens a score for his or her behavior. The system will be based on various criteria, ranging from financial credibility and criminal record to social media behavior. From 2020 onwards each adult citizen should, besides his identity card, have such a credit code.

In his view this surveillance will have a wider scope than was the case under the former East German system: 'The German aim was limited to avoiding a revolt against the regime. The Chinese aim is far more ambitious: it is clearly an attempt to create a new citizen.'

The intentions of the new system are not only economical, fighting fraudulent practices, but also moral. 'This is a deliberate effort by the Chinese government to promote among its citizens "socialist core values" such as patriotism, respecting the elderly, working hard and avoiding extravagant consumption', says Creemers.

a reply to: infolurker

We are likely already scored by the government and just don't know it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the scores suddenly became available to us and others - just like credit scores (FICO).

The last time I applied for a job was in 2002 I think and this is what I had to sign for them to check:

Bank records
Credit history
Driving records
Criminal history

So how you behave, on record, already matters when getting a job. It just isn't all added together and scored yet like credit scores currently are, publicly.

a reply to: Ameilia

This one will go a bit further. You will be scored on how patriotic you are, how far you deviate from the Government social engineering, peer reviews on social networks, etc.

Do they still have the two-minutes hate in China?

a reply to: infolurker

That's what I think we already have. That's what I think Facebook is for. Maybe it started out as some guys in a college dorm room messing around but once it got big enough in comes the government.

How do you get billions of people to give up their most private, personal information? Make them WANT TO. Thus, Facebook.

a reply to: infolurker

Right or wrong in our eyes matter not it's up to the Chinese to run how they see fit.
Also we have our government, social media and corperations doing the same to us all the time.
At least the Chinese are up front about it.
I smell the bogey man that is socialism in this thread.

a reply to: infolurker

Seems like an opt-in "society" is forming, however vanishingly small.

a reply to: infolurker

Interesting. What immediately comes to mind though when I read this is that with the high amount of corruption and fraud going unchecked how will this change anything really? Bribe the correct people and you don't get charged, much less have a criminal record. It might be a policy that is meant to act as a deterrent from someone's contemplating an illegality or other, however until it is tested and fed into the propaganda machine, I'm guessing that any change they might see will be slow and difficult to measure. The game of greasing the right palm is too honed to just simply believe that someone will land a job on merit alone. As a crime prevention tool, I would not place much hope on it.

On the other hand, it looks as though it's been created to exercise tighter spying control over people, as the article suggests. As scores are given for everything including their social media activity, then this program bears further watching. Less privacy, more data gathered on people, how will this all end?

WHY not?
The Epsilon semi morons already have the cell phone lives to be plugged into it.

Wow, social engineering at its best.

What a horrible idea.

a reply to: infolurker

Well, it can't be much worse than giving loans to the unemployed.

fwiw, I use FB to give most anyone looking a big FU. I subscribe to copblock, freethought, et al. I make sure to put forward anti-establishment ideals at every turn. I write in local newspapers VIA Discuss, I attend public meetings and mouth-off loudly....all under my real name.

i invite criticism of my keen sense of right and wrong. I have a relative who signed the Declaration of Independence, and others who did great things for this country. I don't expect to be quieted by an imagined fear of being judged. If WE let THEM silence us and keep us down by just the IDEA of "watching/judging", then they have won without firing a shot.

I'm in fact under legal sanction that violates my rights is some pretty profound ways. I already experienced the lies and abuse of the "justice system", but it will pass and the time will come where I will re-apply myself with resolve to undermining the political system here locally in PA. I already helped get a CoP fired. I have some dirt on politicians and frankly the DA here. They are all very dirty and corrupt, it's ironic that THEY are the ones who need to be watched and possible react by trying to shift the paranoia back onto the citizen, who is the innocent, by definition.

I can't see this as "all that awful"

previous poster mentions "Bank records" "driving" "criminal" "credit"

Because, you know... I want to hire a book keeper who's been in trouble for "petty theft" currently owes more than my salary can pay for, has a dui or two and no money n the bank...

Don't get me wrong "the law" sometimes is questionable like marijuana etc, but as an employer I can look and see what is lowering the score and make a personal judgement in which case i'd be like...cool

every tool anyone needs to check you out is there and has been there a long time, putting a number on it is a tool for the lazy anyway.

Interesting idea from China, we already have this in a sense in the US. Bank loans, job prospects, and everything else. People can and will do a check on you through your credit score, social media profile, and everything else. And with social media it's not just what you write, but what photos you show up in, who you're friends with, and many other factors that can be determined through metadata.

I'm not sure that what China is doing is any more Orwellian or sinister than what we're already doing.

originally posted by: Ameilia
a reply to: infolurker

We are likely already scored by the government and just don't know it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the scores suddenly became available to us and others - just like credit scores (FICO).

The last time I applied for a job was in 2002 I think and this is what I had to sign for them to check:

Bank records
Credit history
Driving records
Criminal history

So how you behave, on record, already matters when getting a job. It just isn't all added together and scored yet like credit scores currently are, publicly.

Not by the government - By big business.

Won't make much difference in the UK housing wise, because the more you are a problem the more the local authority does for you. Social services even supply you with a new car if you manage to not work have kids and go to prison occasionally.

Actually I don't disagree with the Chinese idea, its just the infringement on one's privacy that gets me with the prying into your personal affairs. Also for those with a criminal record and been to jail, it means its unlikely they will work again, unless incredibly lucky in the UK, so having paid for a crime - they are still a criminal. Hardly a clean slate with all these checks - the exception of course for certain crimes and men like gary glitter etc who are unsafe on the streets.

originally posted by: Ameilia
a reply to: infolurker

That's what I think we already have. That's what I think Facebook is for. Maybe it started out as some guys in a college dorm room messing around but once it got big enough in comes the government.

How do you get billions of people to give up their most private, personal information? Make them WANT TO. Thus, Facebook.

You hit that nail on the head. And I've been wondering if those of us who don't have a Facebook account will find it impossible to get a job or conduct financial transactions, etc. Its going to get very interesting.

a reply to: Ameilia

How do you get billions of people to give up their most private, personal information? Make them WANT TO. Thus, Facebook.

Who needs thought police?

George Orwell would be impressed.

originally posted by: TonyS

You hit that nail on the head. And I've been wondering if those of us who don't have a Facebook account will find it impossible to get a job or conduct financial transactions, etc. Its going to get very interesting.

I was wondering why I've only gotten one call back. It's been about five years since I last did any job searching, and I had a job find me, then.
This time around I'm coming up empty handed, even though I've got a skill set that's very much in demand with a surplus of available positions around here.

Perhaps it's because a perspective employer can't look me up on FriendFace and see what I did last weekend, who I spend my time with, how I feel about certain political issues...

a reply to: infolurker

It's already in effect in the rest of the world and especially in America, it's called political correctness and it is tracked and recorded by all the social networks we use, you know , everything you say or do on Facebook, Twitter and all the website's you plaster what your thinking on.

Yah I know, like what I just did.