Disclosure of the Moon Landing Hoax: Part 2

a reply to: dragonridr

It certainly says something about the moon hoax when at least 90% of the argument is essentially "Things on the Moon don't look like they do on Earth, therefore it's fake and they filmed it on Earth"

originally posted by: dragonridr
It would be refreshing to see them present evidence for a change. .

I'd like to see some sort of broader explanation as to how this alleged hoax actually worked. Who might have been the specific people involved and some specifics about how they would have dealt with the big issues involved. Something beyond "it would have only taken a few hundred insiders and if you can't see that you don't know how large scale operations work." Something more comprehensive and big picture than "this shadow in this one photo looks wrong" or "there was a fake moon rock in Holland."

originally posted by: wmd_2008

originally posted by: Ove38
Shut down ? that's exactly what the Apollo believers want ! Cause they don't want us to ask any more questions.

You put your questions your given answers and it doesn't matter how info you are given to back up the answer YOU don't want to believe it.

So what exactly would YOU consider as proof

Maybe some pictures of NASA bootprints, taken by China National Space Administration (CNSA) ?

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: dragonridr
It would be refreshing to see them present evidence for a change. .

I'd like to see some sort of broader explanation as to how this alleged hoax actually worked. Who might have been the specific people involved ....."

obviously the astronauts

originally posted by: captainpudding
a reply to: dragonridr

It certainly says something about the moon hoax when at least 90% of the argument is essentially "Things on the Moon don't look like they do on Earth, therefore it's fake and they filmed it on Earth"

If this is a 90% argument, how come a Googel search only gives 3 results on "don't look like they do on Earth"

www.google.com... ...215797.226187.0.227597.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0.msedr...0...1ac.1j2.34.heirloom-serp..3.0.0.lhqXVEi9ck8

a reply to: Ove38

I'm going based on what every Apollo thread on ATS seems to devolve to after a few pages. Also, you're being just a tad on the intellectually dishonest side by using such a limited search string and implying that it means something

originally posted by: captainpudding
a reply to: Ove38

I'm going based on what every Apollo thread on ATS seems to devolve to after a few pages. Also, you're being just a tad on the intellectually dishonest side by using such a limited search string and implying that it means something

And you're seriously surprised with it coming from someone that is presumably a hoax believer?
Losers my friend, not worth the effort and anyone worth their salt with enough interest in the subject to be worth something sees through them at some point. Let them flounder along trying to destroy others achievements to effectively bring themselves up a hurdle, I'm very slowly starting to not be irritated but almost pity them. Either stupid, dishonest or severely disgruntled with where their life has brought them - how could anyone not.

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: dragonridr
It would be refreshing to see them present evidence for a change. .

I'd like to see some sort of broader explanation as to how this alleged hoax actually worked. Who might have been the specific people involved ....."

obviously the astronauts

I'm assuming you're being sarcastic.

How about these folks? Which ones would have known, which ones would not have known and how would it have been kept secret from the ones who didn't know?

Biographies of Key Apollo Managers and Administrative Figures.

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: wmd_2008

originally posted by: Ove38
Shut down ? that's exactly what the Apollo believers want ! Cause they don't want us to ask any more questions.

You put your questions your given answers and it doesn't matter how info you are given to back up the answer YOU don't want to believe it.

So what exactly would YOU consider as proof

Maybe some pictures of NASA bootprints, taken by China National Space Administration (CNSA) ?

Then the conspiracy site cliches would come out, it would be said that China was working with USA !

Pete Conrad and the Apollo 12 crew spent the night at Richard Nixon's White House. They watched a movie. This is not the movie they watched.


This is the movie they watched:




What happens 4 months after the Apollo 12 crew attends "Marooned"? Well that would be April 1970. Apollo 13.

Lovell reads the newspaper in disbelief.


A happy ending for Apollo!

a reply to: Ove38

How about some taken by India?





(one pre-Apolllo, one LRO, one India in that gif).

There are also surface features shown in Chinese and Indian images of Apollo 15 and 17's landing sites that are not visible on pre-Apollo images but can be seen in Apollo images.

I await your convenient excuse that allows you to decide those ones aren't acceptable as evidence.

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: dragonridr
It would be refreshing to see them present evidence for a change. .

I'd like to see some sort of broader explanation as to how this alleged hoax actually worked. Who might have been the specific people involved ....."

obviously the astronauts

I'm assuming you're being sarcastic.

How about these folks? Which ones would have known, which ones would not have known and how would it have been kept secret from the ones who didn't know?

Biographies of Key Apollo Managers and Administrative Figures.

Definitely the Senior Administrator of the Apollo project George Mueller, here seen with Stanley Kubrick and Arthur Clarke at Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM) British Studios in Borehamwood, England




Astronaut Neil Armstrong and Arthur Clarke a couple of years later



It was "kept secret from the ones who didn't know", using the "need to know" policy.

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: dragonridr
It would be refreshing to see them present evidence for a change. .

I'd like to see some sort of broader explanation as to how this alleged hoax actually worked. Who might have been the specific people involved ....."

obviously the astronauts

None of the Apollo astronauts I have met gave any indication that they did not go to the moon.

Which astronauts told you they didn't go to the moon? What did they say?

As for George Meuller, who was only responsible for Apollo until the end of 1969, what specifically was his role in your alleged hoax, other than being in charge of the way the programme was developed and tested and can claim considerable credit for actually getting Apollo to the moon? You know, the moon, where they landed, something that is supported by all the evidence.

It appears to me that all you are doing here is trying to link it with Kubrick, who had nothing to do with Apollo, and Clarke, who had nothing to do with Apollo - despite all the best attempts of revisionists to crowbar them into the story somehow.

originally posted by: onebigmonkey

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: dragonridr
It would be refreshing to see them present evidence for a change. .

I'd like to see some sort of broader explanation as to how this alleged hoax actually worked. Who might have been the specific people involved ....."

obviously the astronauts

None of the Apollo astronauts I have met gave any indication that they did not go to the moon.

Which astronauts told you they didn't go to the moon? What did they say?

As for George Meuller, who was only responsible for Apollo until the end of 1969, what specifically was his role in your alleged hoax, other than being in charge of the way the programme was developed and tested and can claim considerable credit for actually getting Apollo to the moon? You know, the moon, where they landed, something that is supported by all the evidence.

It appears to me that all you are doing here is trying to link it with Kubrick, who had nothing to do with Apollo, and Clarke, who had nothing to do with Apollo - despite all the best attempts of revisionists to crowbar them into the story somehow.

So what do you think the Senior Administrator of the Apollo project George Mueller and the chief Astronaut Deke Slayton was doing with Stanley Kubrick and Arthur Clarke at Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM) British Studios in Borehamwood, England ? What did they come to see? Could it possibly be, the great science fiction movie studios ? If so, why?

What did George Mueller, Deke Slayton, Arthur Clarke and Stanley Kubrick have in common at the time ? A Trip to the Moon ! it's that simple !

a reply to: Ove38


Well SK made many ERRORS in 2001 look for the OBVIOUS error HERE for example.

originally posted by: Ove38
What did George Mueller, Deke Slayton, Arthur Clarke and Stanley Kubrick have in common at the time ? A Trip to the Moon ! it's that simple !

Or was it simply Frederick I. Ordway III who was an advisor vor 2001: A Space Odyssey
www.visual-memory.co.uk...

originally posted by: MissVocalcord

originally posted by: Ove38
What did George Mueller, Deke Slayton, Arthur Clarke and Stanley Kubrick have in common at the time ? A Trip to the Moon ! it's that simple !

Or was it simply Frederick I. Ordway III who was an advisor vor 2001: A Space Odyssey
www.visual-memory.co.uk...

Well in this article he says,

"My final principal activity involved attending to, escorting, and briefing an unending array of visitors. These included reporters, scientists, engineers, dignitaries, friends, just about anyone interested in our progress. We were particularly pleased when, on the 25th of September 1965, the director of NASA's Office of Manned Space Flight, George Mueller, and astronaut Deke Slayton arrived at the studios. When Mueller saw the amount of documentation Lange and I had brought with us from the States, he dubbed our office complex "NASA East"

So the Senior Administrator of the Apollo project George Mueller and the chief Astronaut Deke Slayton came to see the studios ! Why ? Could it possibly have something to do with with their own project ?

originally posted by: Ove38
Why ?!

I guess because all grown up men are still boys; would you pass on the change on visiting a Kubrick set back in the days?

So according to you this highly secret operation, of which only a very limited number of people should be aware off, who hired Kubrick in secret, suddenly have a couple of NASA people go visit the studio set and have them openly photographed? Why?
Ordway III must have been involved too, but he also openly speaks about this event. Why?

originally posted by: MissVocalcord

originally posted by: Ove38
Why ?!

I guess because all grown up men are still boys; would you pass on the change on visiting a Kubrick set back in the days?

So according to you this highly secret operation, of which only a very limited number of people should be aware off, who hired Kubrick in secret, suddenly have a couple of NASA people go visit the studio set and have them openly photographed? Why?
Ordway III must have been involved too, but he also openly speaks about this event. Why?

It was not a highly secret operation back in 1965, they were just playing with the thought. Chief astronaut Deke Slayton (Chief of the Astronaut Office) choose Aldrin, Armstrong and Collins for the moon trip in 1969, four years later.

Your "still boys" explanation, is at the level moon hoax debunkers explanations.

originally posted by: Ove38
It was not a highly secret operation back in 1965, it was only in the planning.

So first they were only thinking about this all in the open, but when they decide to do it for real it all of a sudden becomes 'secret'?

Something like:
"Oh yes, we are thinking about faking going to to moon; see here are some nice pictures with Kubrick, but don't worry; if we are going to fake it we are going to keep it all secret."

Sorry, that doesn't make any sense to me.

Your "still boys" explanation, is at the level moon hoax debunkers explanations.

And your reply is one with no answer to it so my argument must be a valid one. .

Really; why would it be strange for some NASA people to show up at the set? Kubrick was already a leading director at that time and why wouldn't anyone interested in space (traveling) be willing to go there; Again; would you refuse it if you had the change?