Ukraine troops shelled by pro-Russian rebels near Mariupol

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

I would have thought that the west in this case less Germany as well as France would think that in order to help keep the Minsk agreement and every body pull back ,that sending more and more assets to war might not be a good idea .It would seem that finding a political solution in not in Washington/Kiev's interest .

But it was a break in order to re-group and re-arm and probably will end up re-attacking the eastern region again .The west is not interested in Ukraine fixing their economy it would seem and without that part being addressed you could probably expect to completely fall apart .

We shall see how the training goes and if they get their S$&@ together .It's not like they have a lot of time to do this .They do have a long way to go though .

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

So both sides have violated the agreement...you really need to do some better research.

It`s the Ukrainian army who attacks/shells and the Separatists who react to that, but that`s not something which you will here in our Western media...

...they try to let you believe both sides are the instigators, but the provocation come from one side and the other side is just responding.

Funny how you guys are always blabbing around about propaganda, but all you do is posting it and believing it.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

It`s the Ukrainian army who attacks/shells and the Separatists who react to that, but that`s not something which you will here in our Western media...

That's right the pro Russians never start anything now do they? So when incoming mortars are shot at Mariupol it is the Ukrainian military doing that and not the separatists, although the separatists are the ones outside the city and Ukrainian inside the city. Now who is firing mortars from outside the city toward the city and remember who's where?

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Do you think the next round will be any different ?

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Looking at the past, and again close to a NATO summit...it were probably the Ukrainians themselves again trying to make it look like the Separatists are shooting at them.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Funny how you guys are always blabbing around about propaganda, but all you do is posting it and believing it.

Funny coming from the person who has Russian blogs and Russian media to get their info from. As for posting propaganda...do you really want to get into who posts propaganda and believes it, because there is no secret as to who that crown belongs to.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Looking at the past, and again close to a NATO summit...it were probably the Ukrainians themselves again trying to make it look like the Separatists are shooting at them

Keep on believing that, and time will show how much you think you know.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

HAHAHA !

a reply to: the2ofusr1

But it was a break in order to re-group and re-arm and probably will end up re-attacking the eastern region again .The west is not interested in Ukraine fixing their economy it would seem and without that part being addressed you could probably expect to completely fall apart .

SO then nothing different than when the Russians had their so called humanitarian aid to the separatists where they came back to fight with more ammo, better weapons, and more fighters.

If the West were not interested we wouldn't be giving them the aid we are.

The Ukraine gov't will not completely fall apart as their is too much interest in seeing Ukraine succeed with what they want to do.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

HAHAHA !

You don't know how many times I have done that during the reading of your posts.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Good, at least you have fun in what you do, some of your buddies are getting angry because I make them actually work.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

I am guessing that it will be much more intense but should end in much the same way .The east will be dug in much better and have better weapons ,which should balance out the fight . I cant see Kiev forces having the will to die over the east but can see the east fighting to the death . That alone would be the biggest challenge for the trainers .Too short of a time frame to condition their minds to put up the good fight .

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

SO then nothing different than when the Russians had their so called humanitarian aid to the separatists where they came back to fight with more ammo, better weapons, and more fighters.

If the West were not interested we wouldn't be giving them the aid we are.

The Ukraine gov't will not completely fall apart as their is too much interest in seeing Ukraine succeed with what they want to do.

Considering the way Kiev were towards the east ,I am sure the humanitarian aid was welcomed . Considering they had lots of weapons to begin with ,any spare amo or any new equipment would also be welcomed . How far the Govt falls apart is a hard one to call at present .Even Yemen has a form of Govt ,but just not in Yemen ,so looking to the future it's hard to imagine what Ukraine is going to look like .

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Funny coming from the person who has Russian blogs and Russian media to get their info from.

Funny because I heard that the State Dept. gets its news from social media .Funny that eh .

a reply to: the2ofusr1

That happens all the time to all governments.

Sometimes local will have all of the info and will post it to a social media site. Why would you think that doesn't happen and why would you think it only happens to the state department?

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Funny because I heard that the State Dept. gets its news from social media .Funny that eh

That is funny...care to back that claim?

Because they use it as a way to get out to more people worldwide...

She explained how the State Department uses social media and the Internet to broaden the U.S. public diplomacy mission. It starts with a daily press briefing, the transcript and video of which is posted daily on the State Department website. This is the only government office, other than the White House to have daily press briefings.

“This defines the transparency of the work we do, and helps us set a daily guidance for world issues,” she said. “Every piece of work we do touches a digital platform -- every meeting is transmitted digitally to enable a global conversation -- this is our challenge.”

news.psu.edu...

Seems they are using it to get news out, and not so much as getting their news from social media.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

this proxy war is getting crazy

originally posted by: kingofching
a reply to: Xcalibur254

this proxy war is getting crazy

Considering Russia is long longer trying to hide their military presence in Ukraine I don't think the term proxy applies anymore.

a reply to: Xcathdra

I think using social media has some merits and value but when the State Dept. refers to someone using Google earth instead of their own network of satellites to determine who shot down a passenger plane is a bit much . Failing to use the many official agencies to produce a report on the facts seems to be something they are avoiding . It's not the first for them as they know full well what it going on and how they need to move a narrative that will produce the results they want .

This Ukraine crises is not about Ukraine and the people .There is a much bigger target and we all know that .And like Nuland said FEU .That is what it is about .

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

The daily press briefings are to spin the news . Go back and examine all the Benghazi statements . Those were coming not from social media but from inside the white house and were a spin on what was going on .