Wal-Mart, Jade Helm, Tunnels and a 2008 ATS Thread.

a reply to: DelMarvel

This relates to FEMA and those document repeatedly mention disaster recovery. It certainly makes sense to have Walmart involved in disaster relief as they already have a supply line and infrastructure in place. I don't see how that relates at all to a special forces exercise; in fact there are a number of reasons why closing stores would make no sense at all. A closed Walmart is going to be of no military use as far as supplies go.

And once again, why would the military spend untold billions of dollars building secret tunnels and have the entrances at discount department stores mostly staffed with minimum wage workers many of them disgruntled?

That's on top of the whole project being very, very close to impossible.

The point of the Jade Helm exercise is to assess the ease with which communities can be infiltrated and subverted, correct? And if that were to happen, you think the government wouldn't want to make sure their emergency plan is a go? It would make perfect sense that if they are going to execute a drill on that type of a scale, they would go ahead and do it all the way. Make sure that everything is operating exactly as planned, in the event of a genuine hostile takeover.

And since Walmart seems to be a FEMA favorite for disaster relief (judging by the documents), closing down a handful of stores to participate in this exercise would also make sense. And since it's a covert exercise, they aren't going to feel too badly about not being honest with the public about their reasons. In fact, it would actually help them out by causing confusion and alarm...much like it would be if there really was a hostile takeover.

Perhaps they are readying things because they know that something could go down in the very immediate future and they want to make sure everything works exactly how they want it to work. Maybe TPTB are really the bad guys and want to put us all in camps, and this is the first step in that process...Beta testing, if you will. All we can do is speculate. But they knew people would question the "plumbing" story. And they did not care. There is no such thing as "coincidence". There is a connection. And no, it isn't anywhere close to impossible. It is a mistake to think so. I mean that in the nicest way possible, by the way. Read the other thread again. Without judgement or derision. Just read it.

a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

DEMOCRATS!

a reply to: Ultralight

Never said Wal-Mart built the tunnels.

Nope, they could have actually already been there. The Walmarts could have been built over top of the tunnels.

originally posted by: In4ormant
a reply to: Greathouse

and also to a reply to: Greathouse

Because Jade Helm is all paranoid BS. The Navy and others did the same thing years ago off the east coast simulating aggressive coastal landings and Florida was declared hostile on op maps for the exercise. People grasp at anything. I suppose the military needs to start sending out programs detailing everything so our enemies can stay current on our tactics.

So you don't think there is any such thing as Jade Helm? Looks like it is at the very least a real training exercise

military .com

So although it is being denied it is a 'take over' drill, it looks like it is really going to happen. Now, the question is, how often do the military spend a lot of money on training and drills for something that they are not gearing up for?

a reply to: LDragonFire

You may well be correct, perhaps adding something outlandish or what seems outlandish is there just to rubbish the whole idea/worry that this could be true. However, it could also be true but made to seem like it is too outlandish to be true in order to hide the fact that it is really there. I know, layers of psy-ops can be really head-nipping. I am just seeing possibilites and asking the questions in the hope that we can all discuss it like grown-ups and put our collective heads together for any proof one way or the other.

a reply to: FamCore

Who knows, but the whole 'hide in plain sight' idea might be the way to make people think it is all a load of BS when in fact it is real. Also it could be a way to make everyone take their eye of the ball elsewhere. Anyone checking what is going on with passing of new laws or anything else that might be on the dodgey side, as most of us are looking at the whole 'Walmart Conspiracy'.

originally posted by: In4ormant
a reply to: Ultralight

Just so it will muffle the sound of you mindless drones all regurgitating the same unfounded drivel.

Would you mind keeping it civil and not insulting. This is skunkworks, a place to explore and possibly join dots that may have been overlooked, to perhaps see a pattern emerging from individual events. I do not mind you debunking, but please bring evidence to help your argument. Personally I would be happy for this to not be true, as the alternative is quite scary.

originally posted by: theMediator
"they plan to hire 100 000 US veterans over 5 years"

Walmart to spend 50 billion products made in America

All very interesting and disturbing at the same time...

Let's hope they really do have lots of 'made in USA' products and support their own economy with more jobs.

originally posted by: AreUKiddingMe
Judging from the amount of flags, there's at least 14 very gullible people right now that have read this.

This is laughable to say the least. The "tunnel map" if anywhere near correct, is showing thousands of miles of tunnels..my guess is FIVE thousand miles. Sitting here laughing my butt off while I'm typing this. If you have ever driven or traversed the country you would realize how incredibly unrealistic this would be. Does anyone know the manpower it would take to accomplish such a feat? How many years? The incredible lengths that would have to be gone to to make sure local communities didn't know? Not to mention thousands of tunnel diggers who would have to keep totally silent, no cellphone pics, no talking about it, not even when they were totally drunk at the neighborhood bar? Or is there another conspiracy somewhere that the tunnel builders were acquired from some other source and left no trail, no truckloads of dirt anywhere, not even on Google maps? What an incredible feat of human engineering! This is better than the Great Pyramids! All for what? Tell me again? To connect Walmarts? Excuse me while I go laugh uncontrollably for a bit!

You may not have tons of dirt and contracts can be binding when it comes to no cell phones or pics. The tunnels may well start out in the middle of nowhere and the contractor is told a different story as to why they are making tunnels. As for being silent, there have been lots of accounts of people hearing what sounds very like a tunneling machine, complete with vibration on the ground.

This patent is for a machine which melts the rock, so does not have tons of earth/rock/debris to have to move.

Tunneling by Melting

Method and apparatus for tunneling by melting US 3693731 A Abstract A machine and method for drilling bore holes and tunnels by melting in which a housing is provided for supporting a heat source and a heated end portion and in which the necessary melting heat is delivered to the walls of the end portion at a rate sufficient to melt rock and during operation of which the molten material may be disposed adjacent the boring zone in cracks in the rock and as a vitreous wall lining of the tunnel so formed. The heat source can be electrical or nuclear but for deep drilling is preferably a nuclear reactor.

a reply to: DelMarvel

Perhaps because the stores will not remain as stores but will be converted into 're-education' or 'holding' facilities?

This horse has already been beaten about 8 ways from Sunday.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The idea of thousands of miles worth of tunnels, is not just absurd, it's intellectually dishonest.

I'll sum up my responses from the other thread:

1) Too expensive
2) Personnel requirements too large
3) Technically unfeasible.

I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'll sell y'all, if you're interested.

a reply to: Greathouse

I do not know, perhaps to add difficulty so that in a situation where a community does have their back up and are being suspicious of everyone, it would be even more important to be able to blend in and not be noticed. I am quite sure they could already infiltrate an unsuspecting community with ease.

originally posted by: AllenBishop
This horse has already been beaten about 8 ways from Sunday.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The idea of thousands of miles worth of tunnels, is not just absurd, it's intellectually dishonest.

I'll sum up my responses from the other thread:

1) Too expensive
2) Personnel requirements too large
3) Technically unfeasible.

I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'll sell y'all, if you're interested.

You may be correct, however, when it comes to black budget military stuff I do not think 'too expensive' is in their dictionary. Technically it is perfecty feasable in engineering terms, just time consuming.







Now, instead of a rotating crushing/cutting type machine, it could be the melting the rock type machine shown in the link in one of the posts I made earlier.

Thank you for adding the link to another related thread. That shall be my bedtime reading this evening, now that it is that time again.

Until someone can provide proof that a large-scale, operational, thermally-induced boring machine exists, we might as well assume that the tunnels are being cored out with lightsabers; it ain't happenin'.

The Geotech studies alone would cost a king's ransom.

Coring through the earth is not an easy operation.

From the other thread:

originally posted by: AllenBishop
a reply to: PublicOpinion

Don't be disingenuous.

Of course, there are underground structures in the United States. Cheyenne Mountain, The Greenbriar, Mt. Weather, etc.

The Black Budget is $50bil, annually.

Also, those links are great, but they provide not one single iota of evidence that there are underground tunnels connecting grocery stores.

Without some sort of evidence, this entire topic is akin to urinating up a rope.

Tunnelling is not a magical endeavor, where a robotic earthworm just pushes through the ground, and a smooth, buttery ring of glass is left behind, and instead of slurry, it leaves a trail of pixie dust, and fairy whispers.

Boring machines do not have forward observation of the extracted materials. Because of this, continuous soils/materials testing would have to be performed using indirect observations/analysis along the entire corridor of the project.

The purposes of these observations is to determine the composition of the medium being tunneled through. Boreholes would have to be cored periodically along the corridor of the tunnel. Certain mechanical properties of the medium(soil,rock, etc.) would have to be determined. These properties include compressive strength, tensile strength, shear strength, hydraulic gradients, water flows, chemical contents, soil pressures, excavability, adhesivity, seismicity, subsidence, mineralogical content/grain distribution and porosity, water content/saturation degree/permeability coefficients, etc. etc. etc. etc.

Soils/rock have inherent mechanical strengths. There is a maximum limit to the amount of shear strength through material cohesion/friction/natural stresses. This is determined through the Mohr-Coulomb theory.

Again, you cannot just throw a scorching hot-tipped device in the ground, and have it magically erase the tunnel face. Civil engineering projects are slightly more involved than just, "Well, Timmy. You reckon that's a good direction to send the magical tunnel boring machine? Yessir, I do. Sounds good. Fire her up, and set sail for the next Walmart down yonder!"

Deny ignorance much?

a reply to: tigertatzen

The point of the Jade Helm exercise is to assess the ease with which communities can be infiltrated and subverted, correct?

No, please see previous replies in the thread which state the purpose of the exercise.

The US has been running TBM's(tunnel boring machines) since the 40's. INFO

I don't doubt for an instant there are tunnels running all over this country. The Denver post ran an article years ago how the police used a network of tunnels to escort Timothy Mcveigh from the Jefferson county jail to the Denver court house. A distance of around 20 miles. I had a friend who worked on the construction of DIA and he had some interesting stories regarding tunnels and many many sub-levels that could only be accessed via elevator.

Eta: I'm not agreeing with the notion of glass tunnels from coast to coast. But the notion of interconnected tunnels under an urban area, or underground military bases seems very reasonable to me. One under my grocery store seems a bit far fetched.

Why can't somebody who lives close to one of these tunneled walmarts just bust in to a Walmart and take some pics and end this whole discussion I wish I lived near one because I would do it just for the rush

The idea of Wall Mart owned by the billionaires Walton Family being in cahoots with the government is very possible, in-fact likely, for whatever reason conspiracy or not.


Those who reject the possibility of some sinister plot should understand that such sinister plots are legion in the history of the US governmental operations at home and abroad so anything is possible.



That said there is no doubt there are conspiracy obsessive’s who always see conspiracy under every bed sheet


But nevertheless it is always necessary to keep an eye on things and expect the improbable because from the murder of JFK, RFK, MLK, to 911, to giving black men Syphilis, Army troops and prisoners '___', operation Northwoods and many more sinister conspiracies in American history makes it wise to keep our eyes on conspiracy possibilities

For what it worth, the Nuclear-Subterrene was never put into use/commercialized for a very, very good reason...

...It was actually less efficient than conventional tunneling BMPs.

If you read the other thread, I break the cost down per mile, for tunneling projects.

It is approximately $12,500 per linear foot.

For the love of all that is holy, the "Secret Underground Tunnel" Urban myth, perpetrated upon us by the likes of Richard "Bitcoin" Sauder, needs to be snopes'd!

a reply to: CthulhuMythos

Or they could've notified the public so they wouldn't be scared in their attempts to infiltrate a mock terrorist attack.

The reason I find the scenario ridiculous. Is that the same government that's lied to us about everything and kept it a secret. Could in fact also keep martial law a complete secret until they initiated it.

Come on you're talking about the government that supposedly kept all these things a secret UFOs, 9/11, the Kennedy assassination, false flag in Vietnam, FEMA coffins and guillotines, underground tunnels connecting Walmarts, Chemtrails , weather modification with HARP, The virtual doom from Fukushima, genetically modified a killer tadpoles, etc, etc, etc..............

I just can't fathom why anyone who believes any of those things. Could imagine that the government would actually give them a heads up.