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originally posted by: JUhrman
a reply to: DeathSlayer
You talk out of your ass. I know what they witnessed because they told me.
They were appointed exorcists by the ecclesiastical authorities.
There are plenty of people in the Vatican who are capable of critical thinking and who are not afraid to question old tradition. It's the reason why the Catholic church is progressive and capable of accepting things like the theory of evolution or to recognize hell is not a literal place
It doesn't prove anything if a bunch of dudes are more traditionalist.
The monks I talk about dealt with occult forces. Just they aren't superstitious enough to believe it was literally demons from old books like ars goetia.
Demons are known to be liars and manipulators, just like some spirits.
It means you can't trust anything they claim about themselves
I know what they witnessed because they told me.
originally posted by: DeathSlayer
I can check and see if your two buddies are actually exorcists or not.
originally posted by: JUhrman
originally posted by: DeathSlayer
I can check and see if your two buddies are actually exorcists or not.
As all exorcists they were appointed by a bishop. In this case they reside in the Benedictine monastery of Clerlande. Why don't you check if they are real and come back to me. No way I post personal info about them here without their consent.
You cited Gabriele Amorth. He himself said any candidate for an exorcism should consult a psychiatrist first. Not me. Him.
I never said these 3 signs were not recognized by the Vatican. I only said me and these monks agree that speaking in tongue and unusual strength are certainly not enough to identify a true possession, and that the vast majority of calls they received were not real possession but cases of spiritual confusion (members of sects, student of the occult, superstitious people) so why don't you get off your high horse?
You surely sound like you lack humility for a man of faith. Not a good sign in my book...
Let me be clear: you, just from reading a second hand post on the internet diagnosed some guy as possessed by one or more demons. By doing so you are clearly contradicting the line of the Vatican authority that states all candidate to exorcism should see a psychiatrist first. This is all I'm saying. People like you are too quick to jump to conclusion and can do more harm than good by fueling what could be nothing but the delusion of a psychotic mind. If that person is truly possessed is not yours to judge from the distance of a computer screen. This is not professional and I hope the students of the Vatican school of exorcism are trained to be more cautious and critical than you.
As all exorcists they were appointed by a bishop. In this case they reside in the Benedictine monastery of Clerlande. Why don't you check if they are real and come back to me. No way I post personal info about them here without their consent.
originally posted by: DeathSlayer
I know this monastery, my work takes me sometimes to Mons, Belgium and to recover a list of all the brothers is a simple phone call away. I also know you lied to me.
originally posted by: DeathSlayer
How in the hell can I know what exactly is going on with Dave after a few short paragraphs? TELL ME!
originally posted by: DeathSlayer
From what you said in your post it does look like your friend is possessed by one or more demons.
originally posted by: DeathSlayer
don't worry; you and everyone else will soon enough get a chance to fight with the dark side.
“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”
Hud, Chapter #11, Verse #119
And the jinn We created before, of intensely hot fire.
Al-A'raf, Chapter #18, Verse#27
O children of Adam, let not Satan tempt you as he removed your parents from Paradise, stripping them of their clothing to show them their private
parts. Indeed, he sees you, he and his tribe, from where you do not see them. Indeed, We have made the devils allies to those who do not
believe.
If you want proof that Dan is possessed by a Jinn, let him listen to this video: Recitation of The Holy Quran