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originally posted by: rukia
a reply to: gottaknow
yeah perhaps so--granted we are obviously not the same dumb young adults that we were a few years ago
But I agree--I don't have any interest in being friends with Dan anymore, but I do wish for his well-being. Even though we have all done as much as we could to help, in the end, it comes down to if Dan takes that help or not. Not that the help we gave was perfect--but we tried our best given the limited knowledge we had at the time. Hindsight is 20/20.
originally posted by: rukia
To everyone, trolls included, thank you for your participation thus far. Thank you especially to those of you who have offered helpful and thoughtful input! And major props to those of you who believe us--it means a lot to me that you believe us about what happened.
>> Firstly, with regards to those of you who wondered why we did not obtain viable proof in the form of recordings or videos despite all of us having means to do so:
> He was our FRIEND. I remember one time we actually were laughing about how we should probably be taping this all and then we thought about it and were like as if we'd ever want to tell anyone about this really! It would have been so embarrassing for Dan, it would ruin the value of his house--and possibly neighborhood, and it would honestly do you no good to see it. I think I gave you all plenty of detail--I am great with recall of memories and can replay them as I like in my head. I suppose it's called having eidetic memory, but I can't remember everything--like I'll remember the page in the textbook, but it won't be the one that I need, maybe, because I didn't focus on that other one long enough or whatever.
But I think you'll understand when I say that when # like this happens to you in real life, it blows your mind. You are in the midst of simply struggling to DEAL WITH IT. You don't think about wanting to film it because YOU NEVER EVER EVER EVER WANT TO SEE IT EVER AGAIN. When really messed up things happen, I think the real rule should be pics and it def did NOT happen. Because you just wait and see--if you're ever in my shoes, pictures will be literally the LAST thing on your mind.
>> Yes, moral of the story: DON'T MESS WITH THINGS THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. ESPECIALLY THINGS LIKE OUIJA BOARDS. ESPECIALLY AFTER YOU'VE JUST HAD A WEIRD ENCOUNTER WITH A SUPPOSEDLY MYTHICAL BEAST. YEAH. Definitely not one of my brightest moments, that is for sure. I tried to fix what I'd done. But it seems like if Dan won't help I can't force him. I don't know what to do. I'm no exorcist, obviously. We couldn't even finish reading the Bible in his house one time. Kelson and Kevin couldn't keep sitting up straight and they couldn't keep reading. I kept reading but it became harder and harder till eventually I could not keep reading either. And then there was Dan in his chair smiling a kind smile that did not reach his eyes.
Basically, even though we don't want to admit it, we agree wholeheartedly and know already that Dan is most certainly demon possessed. To those of you who scoff at this, you are fully in your own right to do so. However, I have no reason to lie to you. And I assure you that I'm very thorough. I have gone through every list of every symptom, read about roman catholic exorcist rites, studied extensively into demonology and have prayed a whole heck of a lot. I have cried a lot too. Because I feel so frustrated and useless and unable to save my friend. It's awful. For all of us--especially Kelson, who was friends with him for especially long.
Now that I have, though, I have come to realize some things and have come to a bit of a better understanding of the situation as a whole.
Please, keep your thoughts on this coming. Anything might help. We live in southeastern wisconsin. Near Holy Hill. I'd prefer to get catholic intervention because they do have the original correct OG literature on the matter of demons and exorcisms. But obviously that's basically impossible because Dan's not in the picture at the moment and I'm personally still a bit too chicken to jump back down the rabbit hole. I like not being in a haunted place. If I have a solution, fine, but I am NOT going back to my friend EMPTY HANDED. I go big or go home. I'm either gonna help save him or I'm going to wait till I figure out how. Immature as that may be of me.
We love Dan. We haven't given up hope that he's still in there, somewhere. And that he can and will hopefully come back somehow. Seeing him happy would make me happy, too.
originally posted by: JUhrman
a reply to: DeathSlayer
You are assuming way too much. These monks were trained and had decades of experience dealing with exorcism. If their only crime is to be critical and not to label any psychosis as demonic possession they are perfectly right. They never denied the influence of external forces. Just they are aware the tradition regarding "demons" is not as one dimensional as some describe it.
They were first hand knowledge and you have no idea what they witnessed.