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9 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
The first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus states that the Pharisees, the founders of rabbinic Judaism for whom Paul once belonged, believed in reincarnation. He writes that the Pharisees believed that the souls of bad men are punished after death but that the souls of good men are "removed into other bodies" and they will "have power to revive and live again." reluctant-messenger.com...
the Bible has no bearing on reincarnation whatsoever. Doesn't even address it, save to suggest indirectly that such a thing is impossible ("it is determined to man once to die; and after that, judgment").
Oh, I see it has been answered very eloquently by Disraeli.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Awen24
Do you deny that, according to John, the disciples believed in Reincarnation?
9 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Early Christians took reincarnation as a truth for granted.
The first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus states that the Pharisees, the founders of rabbinic Judaism for whom Paul once belonged, believed in reincarnation. He writes that the Pharisees believed that the souls of bad men are punished after death but that the souls of good men are "removed into other bodies" and they will "have power to revive and live again." reluctant-messenger.com...
the Bible has no bearing on reincarnation whatsoever. Doesn't even address it, save to suggest indirectly that such a thing is impossible ("it is determined to man once to die; and after that, judgment").
Now you're being patently dishonest.
Also, Paul wasn't addressing reincarnation, he was addressing whether or not Jesus has to return and die for every generation.
The Old Testament clearly says that God will send THE Prophet Elijah. Jesus clearly claims that John IS Elijah. Without John being THE actual prophet Elijah, not some stand in, you don't have a "Christ". Since John was born of a woman, he was reincarnated.
Additionally, Zecharia 3 gives a description of a High Priest being judged by the Lord and given his destiny in the next life. So there's the Bible reinforcing the judgement that occurs after every life and before the next incarnation.
Let me ask you this, Do you believe that Christian saints are still asleep, waiting for the resurrection? Or are they sipping on Pina Coladas in paradise waiting for the end of the world, when they can finally get their bodies back?
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: WarminIndy
Oh, I see it has been answered very eloquently by Disraeli.
No it hasn't. "That's not what he meant" is no answer.
Judaism does not have much dogma about the afterlife, and leaves a great deal of room for personal opinion.
The concept of his parents or him doing sin is from the Old Testament, the concept that God will punish down to the third and fourth generation for sin. However, Ezekiel said that the sins of the fathers would not be requited upon the son, and the son's sin would not be requited upon the father.
And the rabbinical discussions that became part of the Talmud, they were simply opinions, you can find other rabbinical opinions
Paul was from the school of Hillel and it wasn't the only Yeshiva.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: WarminIndy
The concept of his parents or him doing sin is from the Old Testament, the concept that God will punish down to the third and fourth generation for sin. However, Ezekiel said that the sins of the fathers would not be requited upon the son, and the son's sin would not be requited upon the father.
That's why the disciples asked "Who sinned THIS MAN or his parents?" Clearly the disciples believed in reincarnation.
And the rabbinical discussions that became part of the Talmud, they were simply opinions, you can find other rabbinical opinions
I didn't quote the Talmud, I quoted Josephus. According to Josephus, who himself believed in reincarnation, the Pharisees and the Essene, who Josephus initiated with, and many believe Paul did also, also believed in reincarnation. The Essene were the first Christians and they DID believe in reincarnation.
Paul was from the school of Hillel and it wasn't the only Yeshiva.
Then you should know that Hillel fancied himself the reincarnation of Aaron, and taught that each soul has up to 3 times to reincarnate before the final judgement.
There is no reincarnation in Christianity. The thread asks to name one religion that doesn't believe in reincarnation. Not whether there really is reincarnation.
The answer is Christianity.
Malachi 4>5
"Look, I am sending you the prophet Elijah before the great and dreadful day of the LORD arrives.
14"And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come. 15"He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
And you say Josephus was a Pharisee, so he was quoting Talmud, not Torah.
Talmud is opinions.
I do not disagree that those people were indeed asking that, because they did. But that had nothing to do with reincarnation anyway, because some people believe that sin causes sickness.
His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: WarminIndy
Actually they were asking about a former life...
That's why it says the man was blind from birth... meaning at birth said judgement was placed on him already
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: WarminIndy
That's not what the disciples asked about. They didn't ask why the blind man was born under a bad "sign" they asked who "Did this man sin to be born this way?" Cut and dry reincarnation! You have to do some pretty impresive mental gymnastics to deny it!
You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments. (Exodus 20:5-6; cf Numbers 14:18; Deuteronomy 5:9) Read more: www.compellingtruth.org...
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: WarminIndy
Except the bible says nothing about being born under a bad sign...
Clearly the man did something before his life to warrant such a judgement...
Besides that theres only one way to explain this passage...
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments. (Exodus 20:5-6; cf Numbers 14:18; Deuteronomy 5:9) Read more: www.compellingtruth.org...
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: WarminIndy
Except the bible says nothing about being born under a bad sign...
Clearly the man did something before his life to warrant such a judgement...
Besides that theres only one way to explain this passage...
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: WarminIndy
Except Jesus clarified that issue... Neither him or his parents sinned...
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