Anti Relativity

originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
a reply to: Nochzwei

Hown so?

Hown so?
Tell me hown was GR used in these instances? One at a time if youn wish

GPS: Time dilation is directly linked to GR
Space flight: Gr and gravitational physicds are linked


What do you not understand?

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I like both apples and oranges, just as I like both physicists and engineers and find reason to respect both Einstein and Tesla.

Nochzwei, on the other hand, needs to provide a lot more credible evidence to back up his claims.

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
a reply to: Nochzwei

Hown so?

Hown so?
Tell me hown was GR used in these instances? One at a time if youn wish

GPS: Time dilation is directly linked to GR
Space flight: Gr and gravitational physicds are linked


What do you not understand?

Go ahd and elaborate which equations from GR are used for GPS and space flight.

originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
a reply to: Nochzwei

Hown so?

Hown so?
Tell me hown was GR used in these instances? One at a time if youn wish

GPS: Time dilation is directly linked to GR
Space flight: Gr and gravitational physicds are linked


What do you not understand?

Go ahd and elaborate which equations from GR are used for GPS and space flight.

why dont you tell me what you think you know.

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
a reply to: Nochzwei

Hown so?

Hown so?
Tell me hown was GR used in these instances? One at a time if youn wish

GPS: Time dilation is directly linked to GR
Space flight: Gr and gravitational physicds are linked


What do you not understand?

Go ahd and elaborate which equations from GR are used for GPS and space flight.

why dont you tell me what you think you know.

No you tell me

originally posted by: Nochzwei

Go ahd and elaborate which equations from GR are used for GPS and space flight.

Special Relativity and General Relativity govern the calculations used in GPS satellite constellations. The internal atomic clocks on the satellites are 38 microseconds faster than ground-based clocks due to time dilation and relative motion.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nochzwei

Go ahd and elaborate which equations from GR are used for GPS and space flight.

Special Relativity and General Relativity govern the calculations used in GPS satellite constellations. The internal atomic clocks on the satellites are 38 microseconds faster than ground-based clocks due to time dilation and relative motion.

I thought it was 45...

originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
a reply to: Nochzwei

Hown so?

Hown so?
Tell me hown was GR used in these instances? One at a time if youn wish

GPS: Time dilation is directly linked to GR
Space flight: Gr and gravitational physicds are linked


What do you not understand?

Go ahd and elaborate which equations from GR are used for GPS and space flight.

why dont you tell me what you think you know.

No you tell me

No, im not playign your little , silly game. If you are so sure GR is wrong then publish your paper that proves Einstein was was wrong and the world will listen and maybe even award you a Nobel Prize. until the day you do that and get it peered reviewed...ill listen to the millions of scientists, mathematicians and engineers who put GR to great use in the things you use every day.

i cannot believe im wasting my life replying to this stupid thread.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nochzwei

Go ahd and elaborate which equations from GR are used for GPS and space flight.

Special Relativity and General Relativity govern the calculations used in GPS satellite constellations. The internal atomic clocks on the satellites are 38 microseconds faster than ground-based clocks due to time dilation and relative motion.

Lets see the math mate. You may read the thread in my signature, if you wish.

a reply to: 3danimator2014

You have to deduct 7 microseconds from the overall number for the time dilation aspect of the atomic clocks on the satellites.

a reply to: Nochzwei

Here is a good practical analogy that would be applicable to GPS technology:

•Laser fires to a mirror 1.5 meters away
•Light bounces to a detector
•Photon Path Length = 3 meters
•One "Tick" = Time of Flight = 3 meters / c = 10-8 seconds

Dick & Jane fly past each other in rockets:
•Constant Relative Speed = 0.8 c
•Jane is carrying a photon clock
•Each measures how long it takes between "ticks" of Jane's photon clock.

Jane's Observations:
•Jane's Speed = 0
•Dick's Speed = 0.8c
•Photon Speed = c
•Path Length = 3 m
•1 Tick = 10-8 sec
•Jane says: "My Clock is running correctly"

Dick's Observations:
•Jane's Speed = 0.8c
•Dick's Speed = 0
•Photon Speed = c
•Path Length = 5 m
•1 Tick = 1.67x10-8 sec
•Dick says: "Your Clock is running slow."

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

..So do those scientists get a rousing knock on the door and a job offer from some men in uniforms?

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I think that if you connect the dots...you are left with that belief. Yes.

On the one hand, as DeGrasse-Tyson points out, government has stopped being a shepherd of childhood scientific imagination. With Apollo you had the "umph" that was able to drive enough interest to create computing in the modern world. Now....we don't even have the shuttles anymore. There isn't any grand, public push for scientific discovery. There isn't enough individual profit to have from the fruits of that labor (despite the intrinsic benefit to humanity on te whole).

On the other hand, you have a "funneling" of intelligent kids into government programs. It all starts with gifted/talented. The truly talented end up working with universities that run on government grants (dual credit, early graduation, etc)

The mechanisms were put in place in the 80's to siphon off the best/brightest, and isolate them from their peers from an early age. After school programs are a good example. 4th graders staying after till 5pm....its a great way to separate them from their social bonds.

a reply to: Nochzwei

Mate. Do you not understand that the proof is in the pudding? GPS works. No one needs to show any maths...it works.
It's like quantum mechanics. It's weird as hell...but it works.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I'm of the firm belief that we don't even know our best and brightest scientists. I have a hunch that these people are whisked away into deeply classified, compartmentalized programs. What we see on the surface, at public universities and on TV is the "B" team.

Due to the compartmentalized nature of their work, these "A team" scientists themselves are probably unaware of the amazing work their doing.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Yes.

That about sums it up.

And they identify them at the youngest of ages, with teachers and public schools playing unwitting accomplices and helping to identify the truly gifted among us.

I think that if you talk to the folks in on it with them being honest, you would find an analysis and classification of "intelligence" that is different than we consider. Think about it: there is a real difference between someone who is "intelligent" and can learn mathematics prodigiously, and someone who is "intelligent", and has an innate grasp of the same mathematics.

In the general populace we break it down to insight, aptitude, and intellect/reasoning/logic. But when you talk about having an innate ability for complex math...what exactly is that?

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I think the difference is someone who can memorize theorems and formulas, solve for "X" ect, and someone who can create new formulas and theorems.

It's one thing to "understand" complex scientific theory, it's another to creatively come up with entirely new fields of study, branching from complex scientific theories.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

and I think that is where an abstract hold on reality really comes into play.

A mind that can think in pure abstract, or visualize non 3d concepts....that is a mind that is something special. In the "old days" they called them Shaman. Now, they are simply called "genius".

a reply to: Nochzwei

I read the link. I bet much of it is misleading.

Let's start with a big name, Robert Millikan:

The very first sentence of one of his 1916 papers was “Einstein's photoelectric equation... cannot in my judgment be looked upon at present as resting upon any sort of a satisfactory theoretical foundation. What we now call the photon was, in Millikan's view, "[a] bold, not to say the reckless, hypothesis".

In 1916, that was all true! The satisfactory thoeretical foundation was called quantum mechanics, and that started development in modern form starting in 1926 or so. Full understanding of what a photon really means needed quantum field theory and that took 25 years more.

QFT has relativity at its core, and all the particle accelerator results, enormous amounts of experimental data, starting from the 1950's, require relativity to understand even the simplest experiments.

And today, astrophysical phenomena like redshift, gravitational lensing and pulsar decay require not just special but general relativity to explain quantitative observations.

So, yes, Einstein proposed many bold hypotheses well before conclusive experimental data was in. And he was often right.

Case is closed: don't bet against Einstein.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Academic research is not about memorizing formulas or simply understanding things. That is what you do in high school and college. Scientific research is all about pushing the field further by coming up with novel, useful research.

I'm afraid that the world of academia isn't as exciting as you imagine, there's no "secret" science or scientists being whisked away for the "A Team", simply hard work and incremental progress.