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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Rikku
shame on you guys for talking joy in this mans death.
i dont like hunting either but the money it generates does alot for conservation.
"Money" vs "Respectable species on Earth"? No. Just - no. People can pack up and leave the area.
Elephants? Not so much.
People can also just contribute to the preservation/conservation of mammals by ensuring that the people who are starving ANYWHERE in the world are looked after.
Elephants? Again, not so much.
Killing elephants is not required or necessary for humans to cooperate to make sure every human is fed, has clean water, shelter, adequate clothing,etc. Can elephants do that? Make sure that their offspring/fellow elephants have enough?
As long as humans are around and attempting to 'vanquish' them, the answer is "no."
originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: BuzzyWigs
Here is the reality. If legal hunting stopped and the villagers that have lived there all their life were to abandon their lands(which is all they have) for a city slum not only would those people be much worse off so would the elephants.
The video which is old was made just before legal hunting of elephants came about. The elephant population was around 50,000 at that point and wildlife management was poorly funded. Since people do not work for free there were fewer park rangers and poaching was far more prevalent for the ivory. Because there is a demand for ivory making it illegal is about as successful as making drugs illegal. In the 70s and 80s the elephants were an endangered species because of poaching.
The problem there isn't the legal hunting. The money from legal hunting funds the ground patrols which are the only thing that hinders poachers. The poachers are only after the ivory, most of which is demanded by the people of Asain countries. Poachers don't care how they kill them the easier the better they have used cyanide to kill hundreds at a time.
So if the villagers move away and ground patrols fighting the poachers lose funding there will be little to nothing stopping poachers from slaughtering the population for ivory.
The money from every legal safari that kills one elephant funds the patrols who stop the slaughter by poachers about half of the money goes to the villagers in that area so they have a vested interest in not harboring poachers. The only way to stop poaching all together is to stop the demand for ivory and the demand doesn't come from Africa.