Argentina launches lawsuit against Falkland oil drillers

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Thanks!

originally posted by: bullcat
You are still a colonial power.

That's not strictly true. The British Empire has gone. There are vestiges in the form of the small number of British Overseas Territories who want to remain with Britain.

Regardless, whereas Argentina was built on colonisation firstly by the Spanish, and then by themselves e.g. the Patagonian genocide, where the indigenous peoples were gravely abused and displaced, the Falklands had no indigenous people. It was unoccupied.

Also, we need to remember that Argentina claim all British possessions in the South Atlantic - not just the Falklands, even unpopulated islands.

So, in the context of the Falklands there was no colonisation through displacing the natives. On the other hand Argentina is built on colonisation and have blood on their hands. Will they return Patagonia to the natives? Hypocrisy.

Double post, sorry

I am hearing more and more good things about Argentina all the time, way to go Argentina!

a reply to: BlueJacket

you are obviously well informed on Argentina and argentinians...,
poor people..? everybody in south america is poor if the are not rich,
seems that countries which were spanish or portugese colonies
all suffer from this social strata, no middle class possible, the rich grab everything, Argentinias is corrupt to the core and so are many Argentinians,
they are also bullies not much liked by their neighbours because of their arrogance and pushyness. A good example.., I was living on an island in spain
were many ex pat argentinians had also made their home, we all loved to play beach tennis and in the spring and fall there was usually enough room for everyone, but come sommer there was no room and the only bunch still playing
beach tennis were the Argos, declaring it to be " their " beach and so they were
entitled to act how they pleased. Lovely bunch but I prefer the british,they are more charming...

originally posted by: simplesurfer
a reply to: BlueJacket

you are obviously well informed on Argentina and argentinians...,
poor people..? everybody in south america is poor if the are not rich,
seems that countries which were spanish or portugese colonies
all suffer from this social strata, no middle class possible, the rich grab everything, Argentinias is corrupt to the core and so are many Argentinians,
they are also bullies not much liked by their neighbours because of their arrogance and pushyness. A good example.., I was living on an island in spain
were many ex pat argentinians had also made their home, we all loved to play beach tennis and in the spring and fall there was usually enough room for everyone, but come sommer there was no room and the only bunch still playing
beach tennis were the Argos, declaring it to be " their " beach and so they were
entitled to act how they pleased. Lovely bunch but I prefer the british,they are more charming...

Yeah of course Britain is not corrupt at all, no sirreee.

Brits abroad, larger louts. Hooligans, beached whales next to the pool.

a reply to: bullcat

Brits abroad, larger louts. Hooligans, beached whales next to the pool.

The same stereotype as saying Americans abroad are " Rednecks "

You and I both know, that the bulk of the actual people are being screwed by monied interests...no matter which country, however S America just like Africa has been used as a money pit for a long time...lol you use your leisure time at the beach as an example. ..you might be part of the problem. Why put English rich over Argentine rich? Its all the same people in the end...enjoying leisure from the yolk of other people's work and land.

Dont get me wrong, Im all for folks pulling their own weight...but there are plenty of examples of the system that is bought and paid for...screwing the little guys out of a fair shake....myour beach tennis analogy is ludicrous. reply to: simplesurfer

originally posted by: Trueman
a reply to: paraphi

There is a big chance that source is biased. Isn't the UK elections coming in 3 weeks?

It's no secret, this isn't big news in the UK and it really has no impact on voting at all as all parties are on the same page with this, the Falklands are British, because the inhabitants are British and want to remain British. This was resolved by the UN back in the early 80's and Argentina has no leg to stand on.

All Brits agree on this, there really is no room for political gains.

It's widely accepted that Argentina has no claim, especially as the Falklanders had been open to making economic agreements with Argentina before this and they refused all opportunities. This is nothing more than nationalistic distraction for the idiot masses within the country, too busy focusing on what's happening about the Falklands to notice that their own government has utterly failed.

a reply to: paraphi

GO ARGENTINA!

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: paraphi

Well, Argentina has been royally screwed by the two mentioned countries for many years. ...
I'm not sure I havemuch to say regarding the lawsuit other than it wouldn't surprise me if the countries/corporations involved in this were actually side drilling into Argentina's own oil and sticking it to these poor people once again in the name of profit.

a reply to: soficrow

GO ARGENTINA!

The UK offered Argentina a full 50% share of all mineral rights found in UK territorial waters in the South Atlantic.
The UK also offered to finance and build an oil refinery on mainland Argentina.

Both of these would have provided a massive boost to the struggling Argentinian economy and greatly improved relations between the UK, Argentina and the Islanders.

But Kirchner turned the offer down without even entering into any sort of negotiations.

The only people that will suffer are the ordinary, everyday Argentinians who are being screwed over yet again by their own government.
Kirchner is using classic deflection tactics to divert attention away from the appalling state of the Argentinian economy and to further her personal agenda of self-aggrandisement.

I genuinely feel nothing but sympathy for the Argentinian people.

But sure, Go Argentina!

Ah, I see that Argentina is being petulant again. Quel surprise.

a reply to: Freeborn

Good response. Thanks. ...So Argentina still claims they own the Falklands? And therefore all the resources?

originally posted by: soficrow
a reply to: Freeborn

Good response. Thanks. ...So Argentina still claims they own the Falklands? And therefore all the resources?

Yes and everyone living on those islands want to be British.


So the Argies claim is bollocks.

a reply to: crazyewok

Colony
Colonials
More bs
Testimonials
Rape the world
Impunity
Refer it to
Community

~ Dr. Soss

originally posted by: soficrow
a reply to: crazyewok

Colony
Colonials
More bs
Testimonials
Rape the world
Impunity
Refer it to
Community

~ Dr. Soss

I dont know what BS your blubbering on about.


But we recently held a independent referendum on the island and asked them if they want to be Argentina and the results were 99.9% NO.


How is it either democratic or fair to force a Island of people who want to stay British to be Argentinian?

a reply to: crazyewok

It's snowing again. Can't work in my garden. So I've been killing time, avoiding housework, my tax return and various other pressing concerns. Re: the silliness. I am in Canada, another Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom. Don't understand the results of the Canadian vote either.

a reply to: soficrow

They invaded us remember. The people who have lived there since there was even an Argentina have said they want to remain British. Self determination are you against the will of the people who have worked that land for hundreds of years?.
Plus I have had my familys blood split on the Falklands and those brave fellas went to defend fellow British people.
So I for one would go Ape # If we gave them up.

a reply to: bullcat

Plus you are wrong the slaves are the royals. Slaves to us the British people...well kept ones of course but they remember what happened the last time a royal attempted to take over power from the people.
Mascots they are...good for piss up when one gets wed.
Pomp Pageantry and history...many here have a soft spot for it all.

originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: Trueman

Surely its only recently that the public were told that there was not enough in the defence budget to defend the Falklands were another fracas to start up.

That also doesn't include the idea that without the USA expressing an interest in making war with Argentina, the UK is most unlikely to have any desire to fight there again, especially if its on behalf of oil companies. I suspect the idea of blatantly using British soldiers lives for the benefit of corporations to drill for oil, would likely sink any election hopes for the tories -

It's on record that the profit from the oil - after the drilling companies have rightly taken their cut - belongs to the Falklanders. The UK is protecting their democratic right to choose which other countries they have ties to. Argentina doesn't like that and thinks it has a right to the oil even though Argentina as an established country didn't even exist when it became effectively a UK outpost, and it's no where near Argentina's water.

It's always a good voting ploy for politicians in Argentina though - arguably in the UK it goes down well that we will protect 'our own', but it's much more of value when trying to win votes in Argentina and it just so happens that many other South American countries always love the chance to stick it to either North America or Europe.