What Exactly is MK-Ultra?

OK, I have been hearing for quite some time from people who claim they have been victims of MK-Ultra and Project Monarch. I really don't know what to think about it. I would like to understand more about it and would love to know if this is a real thing.

I see videos of some people claiming to be victims, but I never know if what they are saying actually happened to them, or why they were even chosen in the first place. I am simply asking about it, I am not trying to debunk it.

The questions I have are:
1: Why were those people chosen?
2: What are the real methods involved?
3: How long has it been happening?
4: Why now are people talking about it?

It seems that if it was such a top secret thing, why are the victims able to tell their stories? It seems to me that if they were that manipulated, they would not be able to talk about it.

Please, I really don't know what to think about it. And how would one know someone else was a victim? Could someone be a victim and not know?

That is really what I am trying to figure out, because it if is real, then it is a very dangerous thing that should not be happening and we should try to stop it. I think from some videos I have seen that some people are just nuts. I remember a case from a town close to where I lived, there was a man who was arrested for rape of a 2 year-old child and he kept saying that he had been a victim of government experiments when he was young in California.

So see, I see nutters trying to blame the government for their own actions, but others don't seem to be insane and really make a good presentation to prove their case.

What is it? How real is it and should we be afraid?

a reply to: WarminIndy

Ted Kaczynski (also known as the "Unabomber") was part of some
experiments at Harvard involving the induction of extreme stress.

What we do these days is use the MK-Ultra technology to torture
inmates in GitMo (and secret sites), then release them.

Why do we release them? Simple, we need more Ted Kaczynski's
who have Muslim names in order to justify our "war or terror."

Stop me when I'm lying.

I too have been curious about MK Ultra for a while. Supposedly it had to do with mind control through various conditioning and psychedelic substances like Indole based hallucinogens & BZ(which allegedly is an odorless, tasteless, aerosol delirient). I've heard various stories that some of the testing took place at Fort Dietrich in Maryland.

To me, an average person, I find it more fantastical than factual. I know I have heard stories about the military testing psychic abilities and so forth but nothing I would call admission. I wouldn't put it past some shadow agency to have tried to manipulate the minds of test subjects though.

a reply to: WarminIndy

MK-Ultra is not a conspiracy theory:

Project MKUltra — sometimes referred to as the CIA's mind control program — was the code name given to an illegal program of experiments on human subjects, designed and undertaken by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Experiments on humans were intended to identify and develop drugs and procedures to be used in interrogations and torture, in order to weaken the individual to force confessions through mind control.

It is a fact

Furthermore, it is alleged that the U.S. has been involved in other operations using human test subjects:

The United States Military conducted top secret experiments on the citizens of St. Louis, Missouri, for years, exposing them to radioactive compounds, a researcher has claimed.

While it was known that the government sprayed 'harmless' zinc cadmium silfide particles over the general population in St Louis, Professor Lisa Martino-Taylor, a sociologist at St. Louis Community College, claims that a radioactive additive was also mixed with the compound.

She has accrued detailed descriptions as well as photographs of the spraying which exposed the unwitting public, predominantly in low-income and minority communities, to radioactive particles.

www.dailymail.co.uk... echnology.html

originally posted by: wasaka
a reply to: WarminIndy

Ted Kaczynski (also known as the "Unabomber") was part of some
experiments at Harvard involving the induction of extreme stress.

What we do these days is use the MK-Ultra technology to torture
inmates in GitMo (and secret sites), then release them.

Why do we release them? Simple, we need more Ted Kaczynski's
who have Muslim names in order to justify our "war or terror."

Stop me when I'm lying.

That may be so, but most victims I have seen in these videos aren't in any way connected to the military.

I do agree that there may be some truth within The Manchurian Candidate (which was a good movie, the original one), but I would think the military aspect would be too top secret and we would not know about them.

a reply to: wasaka

Well do keep on going! I for one will not stop you and say you are lying! You are on the right path. Keep following it even where it turns that-a-way! good post Man!

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: WarminIndy

MK-Ultra is not a conspiracy theory:

Project MKUltra — sometimes referred to as the CIA's mind control program — was the code name given to an illegal program of experiments on human subjects, designed and undertaken by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Experiments on humans were intended to identify and develop drugs and procedures to be used in interrogations and torture, in order to weaken the individual to force confessions through mind control.

It is a fact

Furthermore, it is alleged that the U.S. has been involved in other operations using human test subjects:

The United States Military conducted top secret experiments on the citizens of St. Louis, Missouri, for years, exposing them to radioactive compounds, a researcher has claimed.

While it was known that the government sprayed 'harmless' zinc cadmium silfide particles over the general population in St Louis, Professor Lisa Martino-Taylor, a sociologist at St. Louis Community College, claims that a radioactive additive was also mixed with the compound.

She has accrued detailed descriptions as well as photographs of the spraying which exposed the unwitting public, predominantly in low-income and minority communities, to radioactive particles.

www.dailymail.co.uk... echnology.html

Makes you wonder what else they have been doing to us all these long years. It would seem that human behavior has changed, quite drastically over time. Kinda scary. Time to fit myself for a tinfoil hat.

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: WarminIndy

MK-Ultra is not a conspiracy theory:

Project MKUltra — sometimes referred to as the CIA's mind control program — was the code name given to an illegal program of experiments on human subjects, designed and undertaken by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Experiments on humans were intended to identify and develop drugs and procedures to be used in interrogations and torture, in order to weaken the individual to force confessions through mind control.

It is a fact

Furthermore, it is alleged that the U.S. has been involved in other operations using human test subjects:

The United States Military conducted top secret experiments on the citizens of St. Louis, Missouri, for years, exposing them to radioactive compounds, a researcher has claimed.

While it was known that the government sprayed 'harmless' zinc cadmium silfide particles over the general population in St Louis, Professor Lisa Martino-Taylor, a sociologist at St. Louis Community College, claims that a radioactive additive was also mixed with the compound.

She has accrued detailed descriptions as well as photographs of the spraying which exposed the unwitting public, predominantly in low-income and minority communities, to radioactive particles.

www.dailymail.co.uk... echnology.html

As you can't mention the particular substance, I then have to wonder, as Timothy Leary encouraged the usage of, as well as The Beatles, could Timothy Leary have been part of the CIA through Harvard? Seems that if Leary and Kaczinsky were both at the same university, is there are correlation?

Remember that Leary was a part of "counter culture", but could "counter culture" really be an experiment of mind control? A lot of young people then were kind of lulled into this, a lot of them did chose to bomb universities, and one of them became friends with the current president.

Something then must have been going on, I don't think Ayers and Obama was a random coincidence, but what if Obama was part of the social experiment?

What I really questioned is if they KNEW Ayres had bombed universities, then why did they not arrest him? How is the guy managed to become a professor and community organizer and wanted for arrest by the FBI, but then gets by with it?

Maybe that is part of it.

a reply to: WarminIndy

MKULTRA first off, was a government/military program.

Project Monarch was a civilian layover spin-off without governmental ties.

Some people are just sick and twisted.

Both have been become a crutch for anyone trying for a free ride because they took substances of their own free will and weren't prepared for what those substances opened up in their brains. They eventually found the internet and voila - modern claims of victimization.

There's a reason there are all these Drug Free and Just Say No campaigns.
Most of the claims are drug-induced psychosis brought about by bad self-programming.

I was born and raised military family, have some royal bloodlines but I had no severe horrors from within, the worst of it all started from kids on the street dosing drinks without asking and spewing conspiracy theories.

Funny thing about the MKUltra and the mind control experiments was that something good came out of them was fluoride. I have often read that fluoride was a mind control drug in the beginning that had useful side effects. I do not know if this has been proven as a fact....

a reply to: here4this

yeah I just can't see how the creation of fluoride is a good thing.

a reply to: WarminIndy

Nice can, here's a few more worms for your wriggling mass:

Primarily focusing on narco-hypnosis, these extensive covert programs bore the project titles MKULTRA, MKDELTA, MKNAOMI, MKSEARCH (MK being understood to stand for Mind Kontrol), BLUEBIRD, ARTICHOKE and CHATTER. The principal aim of these and associated programs was the development of a reliable "programmable" assassin. Secondary aims were the development of a method of citizen control.

And here's a bit more to chew on:

Particularly relevant was Dr. Jose Delgado's secret work directed towards the creation of a "psycho-civilized" society by use of a "stimoceiver."

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Additional studies, conducted by Dr. Ewen Cameron and funded by the CIA, were directed towards erasing memory and imposing new personalities on unwilling patients. Cameron discovered that electroshock treatment caused amnesia.

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Also of interest is Dr. John C. Lilly (10), who was asked by the Director of the National Institute of Mental Health to brief the CIA, FBI, NSA and military intelligence services on his work using electrodes to stimulate, directly, the pleasure and pain centers of the brain. ... Scientist Eldon Byrd, who worked for the Naval Surface Weapons Office, was commissioned in 1981 to develop electromagnetic devices for purposes including riot control, clandestine operations and hostage removal.

And some of these are particularly nasty:

This project appears to have been quite extensive and included (under U.S. Navy funding) studies demonstrating how to induce heart seizures, create leaks in the blood/brain barrier and production of auditory hallucinations. Despite attempts to render the Pandora program invisible to scrutiny, FOIA filings revealed memoranda of Richard Cesaro, Director of DARPA, which confirmed that the program's initial goal was to "discover whether a carefully controlled microwave signal could control the mind." Cesaro urged that these studies be made "for potential weapons applications."

Of course, you have to mention Col. Alxander:

In connection with "enhancing abilities of friendly forces" see numerous articles and expose's on Col. John B. Alexander. Alexander, a former Commander of Green Berets special forces was a member of the U.S. "Phoenix" assassination program in Vietnam. Until recently he was Director of non-lethal programs at Los Alamos National Laboratory, but has since resigned following, it is believed, an undue amount of negative press. He remains NATO's adviser on NLD. Alexander wrote a book an article (and later co-authored a book entitled The Warrior's Edge) published in Military Review in which he outlined a number of hitherto "fringe" subjects -- including telepathy -- that should be brought in to the battery of future weapons. Alexander is dedicated to the development of a super-human soldier with enhanced abilities leading to an "invincible warrior." In his book he likens such a soldier to be a JEDI KNIGHT, from the film Star Wars (Project Jedi). He has powerful sponsors, including Vice President Al Gore. Alexander is cited as being the grand daddy of NLP. He is known to be heavily engaged in mind control and psychotronic projects. See Armen Victorian, "Psychic Warfare and Non lethal Weapons."

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Psychic phenomena studies were, in fact, part of classified Pentagon programs dating back over two decades. Two separate "teams" conducted advanced experiments. One team operated out of SRI and the other from the NSA's Fort George Meade facility in Maryland. During that time, Major General Albert N. Stubblebine, Director of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, oversaw a program dedicated to "remote viewing" where operatives were tasked with, amongst other things, tracking Soviet "Boomer" submarines. Stubblebine is presently Chairman of the Board of Directors of PSI-TECH, a private company specializing in remote viewing and other activities. Col. John Alexander is also on the board. The company also employs Major Edward Dames (ex-DIA), Major David Moorhouse (ex-82nd Airborne), and Ron Blackburn (former microwave scientist and specialist, Kirkland Air Force base). PSI-TECH operate in the private sector and have received a number of classified government contracts. During the Gulf War, the company was approached by DoD with a request that the company's remote viewers be tasked with tracking and locating Iraq's Scud missiles. Col. Alexander and C.B. Scott Jones (who has previously worked for the U.S. government on mind control technology) both share an interest in Unidentified Flying Objects. The highly regarded New York Times journalist Howard Blum revealed in his book Out There that there is, indeed, a DoD UFO working group within the DIA. I mention this aspect only to demonstrate that the military and intelligence community are not averse to experimenting in and expending prodigious amounts of tax money on some of the "weirder" areas of life. The remote viewing teams were disbanded following the Oliver North fiasco by the Secretary of Defense who was concerned at the potential bad publicity. Thereafter, Psi-Tech was formed and the work continues...

All quotes in this and the relied to post are from the following document:

Toward a Psycho-Civilized Society By David G. Guyatt

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: WarminIndy

MK-Ultra is not a conspiracy theory:

Project MKUltra — sometimes referred to as the CIA's mind control program — was the code name given to an illegal program of experiments on human subjects, designed and undertaken by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Experiments on humans were intended to identify and develop drugs and procedures to be used in interrogations and torture, in order to weaken the individual to force confessions through mind control.

It is a fact

Furthermore, it is alleged that the U.S. has been involved in other operations using human test subjects:

The United States Military conducted top secret experiments on the citizens of St. Louis, Missouri, for years, exposing them to radioactive compounds, a researcher has claimed.

While it was known that the government sprayed 'harmless' zinc cadmium silfide particles over the general population in St Louis, Professor Lisa Martino-Taylor, a sociologist at St. Louis Community College, claims that a radioactive additive was also mixed with the compound.

She has accrued detailed descriptions as well as photographs of the spraying which exposed the unwitting public, predominantly in low-income and minority communities, to radioactive particles.

www.dailymail.co.uk... echnology.html

As you can't mention the particular substance, I then have to wonder, as Timothy Leary encouraged the usage of, as well as The Beatles, could Timothy Leary have been part of the CIA through Harvard? Seems that if Leary and Kaczinsky were both at the same university, is there are correlation?

Remember that Leary was a part of "counter culture", but could "counter culture" really be an experiment of mind control? A lot of young people then were kind of lulled into this, a lot of them did chose to bomb universities, and one of them became friends with the current president.

Something then must have been going on, I don't think Ayers and Obama was a random coincidence, but what if Obama was part of the social experiment?

What I really questioned is if they KNEW Ayres had bombed universities, then why did they not arrest him? How is the guy managed to become a professor and community organizer and wanted for arrest by the FBI, but then gets by with it?

Maybe that is part of it.

Kinda makes "Tune in, turn on, and drop out" take on a whole new meaning. I never thought about it that way before. Alexander Shulgin synthesized literally hundreds of psychoactive compounds. I wonder if he was ever approached about creating something special for the government.

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
a reply to: WarminIndy

MKULTRA first off, was a government/military program.

Project Monarch was a civilian layover spin-off without governmental ties.

Some people are just sick and twisted.

It's been a crutch for anyone wanting a free ride because they took substances of their own free will and weren't prepared for what those substances opened up in their brains. They eventually found the internet and voila - modern claims of victimization.

There's a reason there are all these Drug Free and Just Say No campaigns.

I was born and raised military family, have some royal bloodlines but I had no severe horrors from within, the worst of it all started from kids on the street dosing drinks without asking and spewing conspiracy theories.

My dad was in the Navy, his step-father was in Bataan. All of my brothers have been in the military also. I have an appreciation for the military.

I also descend from royal blood lines. I come from King James and Barbara of Celje, the wife of Sigismund of Hungary. But I have never been chosen for any experiment. I am also related to Lyndon Johnson, that is how I know his current genealogy was faked. My great-grandmother was his cousin.

Maybe I shouldn't have said that, I might be picked next....

But I also know that Lyndon Johnson was connected to the KKK. People don't believe me, because they are going by his fake genealogy, which has been done for every president. Why did genealogists do that? Several reasons, first of all rich people a long time ago wanted to prove they came from royalty. Second, they created these fake genealogies to make people think the president would have some claim to the presidency, like royal decree.

Whatever they are spewing about a president being part of a royal blood line, the truth is that many Americans of Colonial descent are going to be related to royalty, because there were so many landed gentry in the colonies. It is no surprise.

But people take it at face value, just like today they say "Obama descends on the Dunham side to be of the first black slave in the US". That is completely baseless, as the slave trade was much longer and the first slaves were Irish. That is a manufactured genealogy.

It became such a huge problem that genealogists now require one to be certified and must provide records and documentation, and they can't supply their information from already established genealogies. There was a time when genealogists weren't so honest. So this idea that Obama comes from the first African slave, that is manufactured because some people wanted to make Obama connected to the US historically.

The truth is that Oliver Cromwell expelled a lot of Roma to the colonies, that is why so many people of Colonial descent are showing South Asian DNA.

I made sure that my genealogy was true and honest. I would not stoop to the ridiculous manufactured claims.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Reading that link now.

Thank you.

a reply to: PorteurDeMort

It also makes me kind of wonder, as Charles Manson was in prison for a very long time (most of his life), he seemed to be capable of doing the same brainwashing. How did he learn to do that?

Makes one wonder if perhaps it has been happening in prisons, Charles Manson seems to be a good candidate for such a program. So they let him out, he goes around talking about a race war, tries to instigate a race war, convinces a bunch of young people to follow him, then he convinces them to kill, then after the long trial and he is sentenced and then California suddenly overturns the death penalty, just in time for him.

Really, I am starting to suspect something like that about Charles Manson, because it is scary that he seemed to know about a race war, that people are talking about now. Not that I am defending Charles Manson, but it seems too coincidental that he becomes the most written to person in prison.

DRUGS have nothing, and I mean NOTHING to do with getting on "the juice", but they do use it as a opening to fek with u while high. And as for doing them on ur own freewill... well I just leave it at that hahaha...That's about all ill say. Love of dinosaurs + Jesus= children see ghosts, and later prolly messed with as well I've always noticed, before the reason even matters.

originally posted by: WarminIndy
a reply to: PorteurDeMort

It also makes me kind of wonder, as Charles Manson was in prison for a very long time (most of his life), he seemed to be capable of doing the same brainwashing. How did he learn to do that?

Makes one wonder if perhaps it has been happening in prisons, Charles Manson seems to be a good candidate for such a program. So they let him out, he goes around talking about a race war, tries to instigate a race war, convinces a bunch of young people to follow him, then he convinces them to kill, then after the long trial and he is sentenced and then California suddenly overturns the death penalty, just in time for him.

Really, I am starting to suspect something like that about Charles Manson, because it is scary that he seemed to know about a race war, that people are talking about now. Not that I am defending Charles Manson, but it seems too coincidental that he becomes the most written to person in prison.

It is certainly coincidental that both Manson and the Beatles partook aforementioned illicit substance. Was there some kind of trigger in their lyrics? I remember hearing that Manson was entranced by Helter Skelter, which to me sounds like absolute rubbish. Admittedly I am not a fan of The Beatles.

a reply to: WarminIndy

I hear you and agree wholeheartedly - a lot of damage was done by the Springmeier "Illuminati Formula".

It's a bunk technique and doesn't create 100% brilliant prodigies or anything resembling royalty...usually they churn out abused teenagers on the street or junkies trying to escape from it all. It's a real sad thing to see. I worked with a lot of those kids back in the 90's as part of an outreach program trying to get them shelter and food and safe places during the day...some where ok and kept on the level, others - well.

Not all of them made it back out alive.


I will admit that I have met some older folks over the years claiming military service who were psychological messes. They had so much word salad going on and outrageous claims that I don't know what they had gotten their hands on. But whatever it was, it wasn't good stuff. Most are homeless or traveling and some poor guys are really freaked out.

Met a dude one night in Seattle who had no idea how he ended up there on the street and begged me for help. Couldn't even remember getting on the plane. He wasn't military, but I wouldn't be surprised if the dosers got him with some liquid something or other.

Keep your drinks covered.

originally posted by: WarminIndy

As you can't mention the particular substance, I then have to wonder, as Timothy Leary encouraged the usage of, as well as The Beatles, could Timothy Leary have been part of the CIA through Harvard? Seems that if Leary and Kaczinsky were both at the same university, is there are correlation?

Sighhh....See, this is why we need to remember that we should do our research before trying to put conspiracy 'puzzles' together...

Yes, MKUltra and Monarch are true, but...

....Ted Kaczinsky wasn't even born when Timothy Leary went to college!!

None of this has anything to do with the Beatles.

The charges against Ayres were dropped, and he didn't even meet Obama until he was in his thirties, which was 1995 - over 25 years after the 'group' Ayers was involved with bombed anything!


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