Imagine if we got it all wrong?

a reply to: SLAYER69
Interesting line of thought. It kind of reflects Astr0's famous thread. I will say that there could be something to it (but not because of what Astr0 said, but rather some of the info in THIS THREAD )

If that kind of event happened back in the 60's, then I can see a similar event taking place earlier on in human history.

***SIDE NOTE***

The thread I stated is about a possible UFO event that the site bosses have some info on. Stuff looks pretty good though.

Great thread as usual...I like the idea of different satellites crashing down in different places of the world, that's brilliant. I still think with the Astronaut Man and other depictions of greys, I think there was some type of beings that were here too. Possibly a retrieval of the satellites?

originally posted by: game over man
Great thread as usual...I like the idea of different satellites crashing down in different places of the world, that's brilliant. I still think with the Astronaut Man and other depictions of greys, I think there was some type of beings that were here too. Possibly a retrieval of the satellites?

You are suggesting we may not have naturally evolved via Darwinism constructs; or were born perfect as we are now in Gods image: 'creationism'? Lets say Darwinism and Creationism shakes hands and has a truce--both are responsible for the condition the human form exists now. Game over man is suggesting something else; perhaps there is the other third factor (who got in that mix/meddled with it) to uplift the specie so quickly and why? Some say it was to make us semi cognizant slaves to mine uranium and gold for another race not of this planet.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

What? No I'm not suggesting that. With Slayer's OP he says people like Moses were alive and recovered these crashed satellites, and the indication is from the historical account of various sun deities. Maybe these cultures have additional stories of more beings returning after the initial encounter with the sun deities?

Humans have already evolved, this thread is about alien intervention providing us technology. Not creating us.

originally posted by: SLAYER69
The small band of elites do get valuable information on agriculture, metallurgy, mathematics, astronomy, the written word etc from the AI.

interesting slayer!

this is what i think happened:

the first verse of genesis tells about the creation of the universe
the second verse of genesis tells about the RE-creation of the planet earth, not the first creation but the re-creation, following a cataclysm that made it tohu and bohu, a desolate wasteland. the passage indicates the creator was floating above a frozen body of deep water under which land resided. in the egyptian version, this land is called the mountain of creation. it isn't the first time that land has been seen.

and the creator it seems, had company. in other words, there's more than one elohim, but only 1 of them is a creator. they are from differing racial groups who have been adapted for specific climates on whatever planet was their pre-cataclymsic home, either earth or some other planet. some of them are male and some of them are female.

where did they come from? theoretically, they were the only survivors of the planet before the cataclysm. OR other planets nearby experienced similar cataclysm, and the creator and company were the only survivors of one of those planets, but alas, it was a world that was completely obliterated or so severly damaged it was no longer salvageable, so they sought out a better option and, upon waiting for the water to thaw and evaporate, set about re-terraforming the planet earth, including introducing critters, trees and other food types from their own planet.

then they set about creating a civilization, which required mining, planting, and so on. however, the other elohim, grew tired of working and went on strike until something could be done to solve the problem. these elohim were not procreators, so new workers could only be achieved by cloning. the creator came up with a solution of creating copies of the elohim - et. al clones of some kind, for replacement workers. thus the male and female adam are created. they were not given information regarding the technology or the science behind it, this was reserved for the original elohim, who then only passed it down to chosen few of the adam males.

then wars erupted between the original elohim, causing much of the tech to be either destroyed or rendered unusable. all that remained was the knowledge, which was kept to only a few. if any of those were killed off enmasse, that knowledge would be lost forever.

this explains everything, quite neatly. including the de-evolution of egypt.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

I think you hit one of the important things that so often deliberately gets overlooked. Moses encouraged the people who followed or were forced initially to follow him, to break one of his brand spanking new commandments e.g.. "Thou shalt not steal". In actual fact the taking of land occupied and claimed as home by other tribes was pure theft - but as is often so over-looked by the monotheistic pious, you can steal if god tells you to, even though he he was breaking his own commandment when he told you not to steal.

Simple common sense should be asking this question unless its pumped in during the formative years when one hasn't developed reasoning and experience yet.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

You have made me roar with laughter 0h! history written by beloved Beezzer, currently a rather fat smoking bunny, but with the redacted c..p written by scribes, which is all we have had to believe in for far too long, I am thinking increasingly in favour of the smoking fat bunny. (No offence Beezzer intended).

originally posted by: Boadicea
If you haven't already read them, you might find these interesting as well:

Atlantis: The Antedilluvian World, by Ignatius Donnelly

The Lost Continent of Mu, by Col. James Churchward

Both are very similar to your post in that both address the common symbols, linguistics, architecture, etc....

I had obtained a copy of Churchwards book quite a few years ago. Interesting read. Coincidentally, regarding Donnellys Antedilluvian World. I just fairly recently picked up a copy from of all places the Edward Casey Center during a recent ESP seminar.

a reply to: undo

I think you are going in the right direction.

The Ark as a craft with pairs of animals being happily put inside it, with all the necessary sanitation and specialised feed plus keeping animals apart that ate each other is simply a joke. How do you keep animals from the tropics alongside ones from the arctic? plus with our extinction list with more dead than on the planet today etc etc the only suitable analogy would be a genetic store of past creatures such as our current seed stores stashed away.

I cannot get past the fact that with the brain homo sapiens has that nothing was done until a short while ago in the time span genetically we know homo sapiens has existed for. If you compare the speed with which change has come about within this world it proves we are capable of fast evolution of making the things we require.

I am not going to touch the stone age and its building which would bother us today with our technology to align, design and create.

If I refer to the bible and most of it I dont think is plausible and rather unpleasant actually, one of the things that does fascinate me from it, is the report, prior to the flood, that the world was fully populated. Now is the time to wonder how, without faming and husbandry + a number of abilities claimed only to have developed recently throughout our 250/200,000 years of existence, we managed to exist at all, because I doubt we were all busily foraging or we would have killed each other off?

We know just from one single example of how very unstable and inhospitable our planet can be over long periods of time. When one realises that the telecoms cable stretching between the UK and Canada lies on land which has dropped nearly 2 miles since it was constructed, tells us to beware of thinking that this planet is land that supports life endlessly - we know it erupts and we as homo saps are very susceptible to our genetic design which is flawed with 1000 odd genetic problems, something which animals don't have to deal with in their genetics, - we are incredibly vulnerable without clean water, warmth and food in regular daily supplies, not to mention fresh air or we simply would have died out like the dinosaurs.

I know religion and financed science has certain agendas but I don't doubt the current view of our existence is a sell-out to those two powerful groups which of course hide the vested interests of those who just looove to rule us and life off the labourites of our backs. However like everything on this planet, nothing lasts forever.

a reply to: SLAYER69

I have two books on this that I am fond of: Paul A La Violette Ph.D. Earth Under Fire which links to the ancient world via their beliefs in cosmology which he explains very well and Frank Joseph's The Lost Civilisation of Lemuria. Fascinating insights. If you do get to read them I hope you will enjoy them.

Great thread, one close to my heart.

a reply to: beezzer

if the future was to look back on the early 21st century and only based it on the sole surviving writings of a wise scribe named beezzer

I would imagine it would be the start of beezzerism . The fourth and last of the great Abrahamic prophets .

a reply to: Shiloh7

i think the big hint is this verse, in Genesis 2:10-12

10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
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just out of nowhere, the text starts talking about gold and not just gold but good gold, and the garden has just barely been introduced into the text. it's in like the second chapter of the whole bible. you KNOW something's missing and you know it has something to do with mining

originally posted by: hutch622
I would imagine it would be the start of beezzerism . The fourth and last of the great Abrahamic prophets .

looking at that flying winged sun disc thing picture, I am struck by the similarity to modern solar-power drones.
I can't post pics on this system but I'll link to one.

www.extremetech.com...


(I think someone is accusing Moses of being a 'traitor', not a 'trader'?)

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: SLAYER69

Ah, the good ol' Monolith Hypothesis.

Human advancement is a funny thing; it took thousands of years to domesticate animals but it took less than seventy years between the Wright bros flight and the moon landing.

How did early man learn know how to create fire or to cure and preserve meat? perhaps there were prehistoric Einsteins that had moments of genius which lead to the advancement of our species-but there is no way of telling for obvious reasons. But where did these Early Einsteins get their inspiration from?

Tens of billions of people have lived this planet and only a handful can claim that they have changed the world. One could argue that these geniuses are the result of intervention from a higher power.

Forest fires make great natural BBQ's. Just as devine intervention could easily come from a mushroom on the forest floor.

There are more than just a couple of people changing the world on a daily basis as well. I highly suggest the film "Quest for Fire", if you haven't seen it already. Sure, it's just as hypothetical as Slayers theory, but just as probable.

a reply to: SLAYER69

On board this craft was a very advanced Alien AI. Seems far fetched? Sure, but whose to say for sure it wasn't possible? I mean, consider this, We with our present day limited tech are learning everyday of other planets that are out there and have by comparison rudimentary AI's and Satellite and Space probe tech already.

The first and second images you presented struck me as, well, familiar.

Made me think of this incident where the object was witnessed over a period of time, including the "AI" you mentioned. Great pictures at the link.

uforesearchnetwork.proboards.com...

In stead of crashed, this one is in operation.

a reply to: SLAYER69

You get a SnF from me my man.
The knowledge and deeper thought you've demonstrated here on ATS,
is only complimented by your consideration of alternative views. It's a
great mix that rings the bell of truth, further demonstrates courage and
cements my respect for Slayer 69.


Post script

It could also be the key to great success IMO.

I have often thought about scenarios similar to this and how history and events are remembered by one persons interpretation. One thing that always amuses me is that potentially 1000 or more years from now, someone digs up an old copy of The Lord of the Rings that was stored away in some childs keepsakes box, but somehow is/was lost or misplaced. They are then going to conclude that, at the least prior to the 21st century, there were hobbits, dwarves, elves, trolls, wizards, etc roaming the earth waging war on a nasty foe named Sauron and his band ferocious of orcs. Then when they find a copy of The Hobbit or The Silmarillion, and that is just going to be more evidence to substantiate their claims. I always get a good laugh when I think about this because we have most likely fallen for the same thing numerous times throughout history, and it just does the only thing history knows how to do, it repeats!! Can you imagine The Church of Gandolf with people carrying stalves, speaking in enchanted languages and wearing funny hats! Sounds a lot like another religion doesnt it, hmmmmm!! Maybe Jesus was really a hobbit, same traits and we have gotten the hair in the wrong place, no beard just furry feet!

We will never know that all of this 'history' that we seem to rely so heavily upon is the actual record or what occurred and not just a story that happened to be remembered/passed down/written down by someone with their spin, and then we find it thousands of years later. Yes, we validate history though multiple occurrences of the same story or event, but just imagine how many copies of The Lord of the Rings book are out there hidden away in chests or cases waiting on someone to find thousands years from now! We have 'verified' history on a lot less so really anything is possible and we will never know. We dont give ancient man enough credit and realize they were humans, with the same brains as us, an could have been just as creative as we are now. We seem to put them on a level and assume they were less capable than us and then assume the couldnt do great things or didnt have time to do them. The human mind is an amazing thing and we need to keep that in mind when pondering 'history.'

Interesting to be sure - thanks for sharing!

I appreciate everyone's feedback and contributions. I thought some here would find the topic interesting.

Now, Steak, veggies and tators and the company of good peeps.