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originally posted by: Connell
It's even visible in the language we use today. Highly analytical, specially honed for the categorization and description of earthly phenomena. And yet there are ideas and concepts that cannot be expressed in modern language because they are alien to our perception. However, that doesn't mean that these things don't exist. Conversely, things that we CAN describe don't have to exist simply by virtue of their expression.
rationality
1.the state or quality of being rational.
2.the possession of reason.
3.agreeableness to reason; reasonableness.
4.the exercise of reason.
5.a reasonable view, practice, etc.
naturalism
noun
1.Literature.
a manner or technique of treating subject matter that presents, through volume of detail, a deterministic view of human life and actions.
a deterministic theory of writing in which it is held that a writer should adopt an objective view toward the material written about, be free of preconceived ideas as to form and content, and represent with clinical accuracy and frankness the details of life.
Compare realism (def 4b).
a representation of natural appearances or natural patterns of speech, manner, etc., in a work of fiction.
the depiction of the physical environment, especially landscape or the rural environment.
2.(in a work of art) treatment of forms, colors, space, etc., as they appear or might appear in nature.
Compare idealism (def 4), realism (def 3a).
3.action arising from or based on natural instincts and desires alone.
4.Philosophy.
the view of the world that takes account only of natural elements and forces, excluding the supernatural or spiritual.
the belief that all phenomena are covered by laws of science and that all teleological explanations are therefore without value.
5.Theology.
the doctrine that all religious truth is derived from a study of natural processes and not from revelation.
the doctrine that natural religion is sufficient for salvation.
6.adherence or attachment to what is natural.
RATIONALISM
1: reliance on reason as the basis for establishment of religious truth
2a : a theory that reason is in itself a source of knowledge superior to and independent of sense perceptions
b : a view that reason and experience rather than the nonrational are the fundamental criteria in the solution of problems
3: functionalism 2
anthropocentrism
noun
anthropocentrism - an inclination to evaluate reality exclusively in terms of human values
1.an anthropocentric theory or view.
an·thro·po·cen·tric (ăn′thrə-pə-sĕn′trĭk)
adj.
1. Regarding humans as the central element of the universe.
2. Interpreting reality exclusively in terms of human values and experience.
HUMANISM
1
a : devotion to the humanities : literary culture
b : the revival of classical letters, individualistic and critical spirit, and emphasis on secular concerns characteristic of the Renaissance
2: humanitarianism
3: a doctrine, attitude, or way of life centered on human interests or values; especially : a philosophy that usually rejects supernaturalism and stresses an individual's dignity and worth and capacity for self-realization through reason
temporalism
the philosophical doctrine that emphasizes the ultimate reality of time instead of the reduction of time to a manifestation of the eternal. — temporalist, n. — temporalistic, adj.
Animistic
n.
1. The belief in the existence of individual spirits that inhabit natural objects and phenomena.
2. The belief in the existence of spiritual beings that are separable or separate from bodies.
3. The hypothesis holding that an immaterial force animates the universe.
anthropomorphism
: an interpretation of what is not human or personal in terms of human or personal characteristics : humanization
originally posted by: rickymouse
Are you trying to say that science is plagued with misperceptions just like everything else? You went about it the long way I see.
Our language is overcomplicated, with each science having their own and the language of the sciences needs special knowledge to interpret right. The complicated language is there for intimidation some times.
is wrong. Maths is the language natural phenomena, or physics talk to us. The beauty in maths is: when it is wrong it doesn't work. Wish we would have something so clear and clean for our daily communications as well. Nobody could have "invented" it differently, because it originates in the attempt to describe nature.
Neither is mathematics anything but a theoretical system of quantification and measurement, based on ascribed values and the arbitrary division and reunification of those values. There is no physical basis for mathematics, yet it is universally accepted. It's quite possible that early mathematical philosophers could have contrived an entirely different system of measurement, which could have fundamentally changed the way we view the world today.
Because i don't believe in singularity, but won't burn you. The pretty in science is, as long as it is not proven or unproven, the cat is dead and alive at the same time. That's just maybe to complicated to grasp for someone thinking there is only one thing in the entire universe.
Either way, we lack the capability to see the whole picture, to see all aspects of what is really one singularity. But that is a different subject entirely.
originally posted by: NthOther
originally posted by: Connell
It's even visible in the language we use today. Highly analytical, specially honed for the categorization and description of earthly phenomena. And yet there are ideas and concepts that cannot be expressed in modern language because they are alien to our perception. However, that doesn't mean that these things don't exist. Conversely, things that we CAN describe don't have to exist simply by virtue of their expression.
Ineffable, subjective experiences--un-quantifiable by definition--are rejected by modern rationalism (positivism) as sources of knowledge. Scientists will admit their focus is narrow, however they will never admit that this narrow focus impedes their own search for truth.
Welcome to ATS. I hope you have thick skin.
solipsism
noun so·lip·sism ˈsō-ləp-ˌsi-zəm, ˈsä-
Full Definition
: a theory holding that the self can know nothing but its own modifications and that the self is the only existent thing; also : extreme egocentrism
epistemology
noun epis·te·mol·o·gy
Definition
: the study or a theory of the nature and grounds of knowledge especially with reference to its limits and validity
originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Connell
I agree and disagree. I value personal experiences and i enioy some mind-travelling, but look at all those "reality is a simulation/illusion" people: They delude themselfes, because they gave up their set of values to counter-check their "findings", for a theory provable by exactly nothing.
And this
is wrong. Maths is the language natural phenomena, or physics talk to us. The beauty in maths is: when it is wrong it doesn't work. Wish we would have something so clear and clean for our daily communications as well. Nobody could have "invented" it differently, because it originates in the attempt to describe nature.
Neither is mathematics anything but a theoretical system of quantification and measurement, based on ascribed values and the arbitrary division and reunification of those values. There is no physical basis for mathematics, yet it is universally accepted. It's quite possible that early mathematical philosophers could have contrived an entirely different system of measurement, which could have fundamentally changed the way we view the world today.
Earth has about twelve hours in daylight and 12 hours nighttime, depending on your standingpoint and approximity to the aequator. If you would have called it 580 Connells would still describe the same thing, just more complicated.
Reality exists and it is important to understand how and why, because we would have never builded bridges, houses, cars, etc.
Your mind is entirely your business and to say "we let it get swallowed from rationalism" is just not true, you are free to explore more so than ever before. Nobody will stone you as heretic, or burn you as sourcerer just because you like to imagine spooky things. That's a big step towards individual freedom. With thanks to rationalism.
So enjoy your subjective theory:
Because i don't believe in singularity, but won't burn you. The pretty in science is, as long as it is not proven or unproven, the cat is dead and alive at the same time. That's just maybe to complicated to grasp for someone thinking there is only one thing in the entire universe.
Either way, we lack the capability to see the whole picture, to see all aspects of what is really one singularity. But that is a different subject entirely.
originally posted by: Connell
Anyway, why should I need a thick skin?
originally posted by: Connell
Rationality and scientific thought. The most popular religion in the modern Western world- the most fervently defended, the most universally accepted, and the most fundamentally flawed.
Science and religion both arise from the desire to understand our place in the universe, however, science has simply become the most universally accepted dogma.
And yet there are ideas and concepts that cannot be expressed in modern language because they are alien to our perception.
and then they ask a theist to prove the existence of God. Sheer hypocrisy, and an inherently flawed mode of thought.
originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Connell
Oh dear. Sure than define your 4th dimension, please? Because as far as I am concerned you sound more fit to discuss pixies and fairies.
English is not my first language and my shaking hands can barely hold my morning coffee, so...
And relativism is actually exactly that train of thought you are denying exists, but then fall back on to when i challenge your wrong OP: the truth, or reality are always just an approximation, best described with universally understandable symbols=>maths.
Like i said, I agree and disagree. But that is because you are obviously confused.
We left finite equations the latest when Einstein gave us Relativity.
Every point in three-dimensional Euclidean space is determined by three coordinates.
That's the inherent hypocrisy in all forms of modern rationalism, to act as if subjective, perceptual, abstract concepts are "real" simply because scientists (priests of relativism) have an official piece of paper that says so..... and then they ask a theist to prove the existence of God. Sheer hypocrisy, and an inherently flawed mode of thought.
Sure than define for me your Euclidean space time, please?