Terminally ill man set to undergo world's first full HEAD transplant by doctor branded "nuts"

a reply to: Anyafaj

Let say this procedure was possible, which I'm pretty skeptical. What would happen to the soul/spirit/conscious of the man, would it transfer over as well?

The disease may not transfer over. Here's why. There are Scientist who have discovered that memories are actually stored in our cells throughout our body, called "Cellular Memories". Memories can stimulate certain area's of the brain, but the actually memory is stored in the cell.

You may have heard of people who had a heart transplant, and they find out that they have some of the other persons memories or art skills, music abilities etc. Well what does memories have to do with a disease being transfered over or not? The Memories that are stressful or traumatic, that carry unhealthy beliefs, negative emotions, negative images, can finally cause disease in the body.This is how all diseases are finally created in the body. So this guys Destructive Cellular Memories (that caused his disease) may not be transfered over with his head.

Note: People who are born with diseases have had the stress of Cellular memory info that was passed down via parents, Ancestor.

So if the head transfer is successful, then he may lose most of his memories.

a reply to: Anyafaj

Just saw this, on my feed I hope it works but I doubt it,in other medical news cancer patients have new reasons to be hopeful curing that decease with polio.. www.cancer.duke.edu...

originally posted by: SpiritualJudgmentM21
a reply to: Anyafaj

Let say this procedure was possible, which I'm pretty skeptical. What would happen to the soul/spirit/conscious of the man, would it transfer over as well?

The disease may not transfer over. Here's why. There are Scientist who have discovered that memories are actually stored in our cells throughout our body, called "Cellular Memories". Memories can stimulate certain area's of the brain, but the actually memory is stored in the cell.

You may have heard of people who had a heart transplant, and they find out that they have some of the other persons memories or art skills, music abilities etc. Well what does memories have to do with a disease being transfered over or not? The Memories that are stressful or traumatic, that carry unhealthy beliefs, negative emotions, negative images, can finally cause disease in the body.This is how all diseases are finally created in the body. So this guys Destructive Cellular Memories (that caused his disease) may not be transfered over with his head.

Note: People who are born with diseases have had the stress of Cellular memory info that was passed down via parents, Ancestor.

So if the head transfer is successful, then he may lose most of his memories.

With as smart as he is, scientist, some of his memories are information from school. It would be a shame if he lost those in his quest to live.

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: Anyafaj

Just saw this, on my feed I hope it works but I doubt it,in other medical news cancer patients have new reasons to be hopeful curing that decease with polio.. www.cancer.duke.edu...

Very interesting! Wasn't there a time a few years ago when they said they had a cure for HIV by giving a patient cancer, or something to that effect? My memory is very fuzzy, I'm trying to recall the disease they cured, and what disease they used to cure it.

originally posted by: Bigburgh
a reply to: Anyafaj

The debate now is. Nerve tissue does not regenerate. But over the years. Better scopes allow doctors to attach the nerves. (( IN LIMBS)). And even then it's not 100%. Pt's don't get full feeling back. Motor function is not great. We're talking re-attaching the brain stem. The autonomic system. The heart and lungs will fail I feel. Then the very high risk of the body rejecting something foreign. Yes there are meds to counter act this. But wow. Brave.

I hope the doctor reads up on the pt's hx ( history too )

I know its been tested on animals. Russian scientist did this to dogs too. It's really barbaric. But if I was dying anyway. Or lacked severe quality of life. I might consider too.

I don't want to touch this.

Soo? Who's the lucky prisoner going to be who donates his/her body ? Never seen a body donation drivers license .. just the organ.

Well looking at this issue from an objective perspective, we see where (one of) the main bottlenecks in medical surgery and bio-engineering is right now.

If we poured resources into learning how to stimulating the regrowth of nerve tissue, perhaps via stem cells, re-connecting a severed head to a donor body's spine would be a major hurdle overcome.

I don't believe it's a matter of things we can't do, rather a matter of deciding what we want to do.

originally posted by: Anyafaj

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: Anyafaj

Just saw this, on my feed I hope it works but I doubt it,in other medical news cancer patients have new reasons to be hopeful curing that decease with polio.. www.cancer.duke.edu...

Very interesting! Wasn't there a time a few years ago when they said they had a cure for HIV by giving a patient cancer, or something to that effect? My memory is very fuzzy, I'm trying to recall the disease they cured, and what disease they used to cure it.

I didn't recall an Aids cure but will look it up,however remarkable that folks stopped dying of that disease at least in the west and living longer through the AZT cocktail.

originally posted by: Hushabye
This makes me philosophical. Maybe we'll find out if the entire personality, and what a person feels is their 'soul' are all in the head- so to speak.

Different chemical balance from the new body...could it change his personality, or his feeling of 'me' in his secret self?


****if he were to live.

Of course not you nutter. The personality comes from the brain which is in the head.

I really don't understand the way some people think.

"He shouldn't commit suicide. It's illegal."

Lol. And what penalty would you recommend, exactly??

Almost as absurd as, "Terminally ill cancer patients shouldn't use marijuana. It's bad for them."

I just don't think people think things through sometimes.

I certainly would never judge or prevent someone like this from attempting to do something this radical. Who the hell are we to tell this guy to just wait it out and let nature "take its course."

I'd be like, "Nature created doctors and my brain to make this decision. This IS nature taking its course, doing whatever I need to do to survive."

There's an old black & white horror movie from the late 50's/early 60's that, i think, is called "The Brain That Wouldn't Die". I watched it as a kid (mid 70's), and, remember thinking at the time how freaky and far out the concept was. Being that my viewing the film was 20 or so years after it was released, I also thought that it was a earlier generations foolish fear of something that was totally implausible. Couldn't possibly never, never, ever, ever happen. Sort of how I felt watching tales about an incredible shrinking man or an alien blob consuming an entire town. How wrong I was. Even though resulting discoveries from this experiment, even a failed attempt, will help solve scientific and medical mysteries that have been eluding us for hundreds of years, it will hurl us head first into unthinkable moral and spiritual dilemmas that society is ill equipped to fully understand, let alone, control. That's the real horror show.
By the way, I believe the scientists call this procedure a full-body transplant.

originally posted by: packerfaninbhc
There's an old black & white horror movie from the late 50's/early 60's that, i think, is called "The Brain That Wouldn't Die". I watched it as a kid (mid 70's), and, remember thinking at the time how freaky and far out the concept was. Being that my viewing the film was 20 or so years after it was released, I also thought that it was a earlier generations foolish fear of something that was totally implausible. Couldn't possibly never, never, ever, ever happen. Sort of how I felt watching tales about an incredible shrinking man or an alien blob consuming an entire town. How wrong I was. Even though resulting discoveries from this experiment, even a failed attempt, will help solve scientific and medical mysteries that have been eluding us for hundreds of years, it will hurl us head first into unthinkable moral and spiritual dilemmas that society is ill equipped to fully understand, let alone, control. That's the real horror show.
By the way, I believe the scientists call this procedure a full-body transplant.

When I think of brains and body switching, I always think of one of my favorite movies, The Man With Two Brains with Steve Martin. LOL

a reply to: Anyafaj

Well, considering that the donor body would have entirely different DNA, no, it wouldn't have the disease. But his head still would. Not that it matters, though. The technology and surgical technique don't exist to even repair the severed spinal cord of a paraplegic. There's no way this surgeon is going to produce a healthy patient from 2 corpses. The donor body will never come to life, due to the lack of successful nerve impulses from the transplanted brain. And I highly doubt the surgeon will be able to perform the transplant quickly enough to avoid brain death, even if the body came back to life.

a reply to: Anyafaj

Well, I can't blame you. The surgeon is obviously going to use the cranial screw top method.

a reply to: Spider879

There is a certain blood cancer, I believe, that when combined with the HIV cocktail, drastically reduces the viral load of the patient. The newly diagnosed cancer patient.

I know someone who was a head.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Society doesn't need to police science. Society needs to police the opportunists who use scientific discoveries for profit without regard to the consequences.

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: Anyafaj

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: Anyafaj

Just saw this, on my feed I hope it works but I doubt it,in other medical news cancer patients have new reasons to be hopeful curing that decease with polio.. www.cancer.duke.edu...

Very interesting! Wasn't there a time a few years ago when they said they had a cure for HIV by giving a patient cancer, or something to that effect? My memory is very fuzzy, I'm trying to recall the disease they cured, and what disease they used to cure it.

I didn't recall an Aids cure but will look it up,however remarkable that folks stopped dying of that disease at least in the west and living longer through the AZT cocktail.

Yes. By undergoing chemo and destroying all the patients immune system bone marrow... the new bone marrow is taken from a doner with the genetic immunity to HIV. The new cells from the doner replicate and replace the original immune system thereby making the patient immune to HIV. The patient afterwards is immune. This is a proven fact and the patient is referred to as the Berlin Patient [off the top of my head]. Big Pharma does not like this [I assume]. Insurance companies do not like this because the procedure is about $150,000.

Now... as for the full body transplant... this opens a big can of worms because once we master the technique (and no doubt eventually we will) people with the most money will be farming out [or cloning] bodies and the medical black market of Kosovo will look like nothing.

Imagine this....

a reply to: hutch622

Well, since the immune cells of the body are mostly generated in the body, it would reject the head.

a reply to: muse7

The body donor would be a corpse. Only the patient brain death would matter. But it would happen.

a reply to: violet

Perhaps the soul is just the transubstantiated portion of the consciousness/personality. Or vise versa.

a reply to: big_BHOY

The problem with stem cells is the rejection factor. Who's stem cells would they use? Either the patient or the donor cells would reject the connection with the other.