Should gay people fight for the right for anti-gay businesses to take their money or just boycott?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LewsTherinThelamon
a reply to: Annee

Unless maybe you're selling oranges off your private land or in the parking lot of your church.

And this is exactly how all business should be handled.

Well fine, have a business on your private property.

But, most businesses are in a commercial area. In a rented "brick and mortar". Using public access.

Private does not apply.

Yes it does, those rented spaces are privately owned. Unless the government owns all business?

originally posted by: LewsTherinThelamon

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: nenothtu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: nenothtu

Exactly.

Secular government.

Discrimination occurs in private all the time.

This isn't about private.

Really? It's about whether government will bake a cake for a gay wedding then?

No, its not.

Its treating every customer the same.

You said public, public means government.

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It is what the original subject is about.

A public business.

I say boycott if they want. There are tons of gay cake bakers, kidding, there are tons of gay owned businesses. I kicked out religious nutbags from my health food store plenty of times, usually jehovas witnesses, they were audibly bothering my paying customers with their loud mouth and propaganda tabloids. I think our local Lowes home improvement store hires only gays, the music is good in there too.

originally posted by: LewsTherinThelamon

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LewsTherinThelamon
a reply to: Annee

Unless maybe you're selling oranges off your private land or in the parking lot of your church.

And this is exactly how all business should be handled.

Well fine, have a business on your private property.

But, most businesses are in a commercial area. In a rented "brick and mortar". Using public access.

Private does not apply.

Yes it does, those rented spaces are privately owned. Unless the government owns all business?

This is just getting stupid now.

Did they take out a business license?

Probably required for their location?

Public road access, etc etc.

originally posted by: Foderalover
I say boycott if they want. There are tons of gay cake bakers, kidding, there are tons of gay owned businesses. I kicked out religious nutbags from my health food store plenty of times, usually jehovas witnesses, they were audibly bothering my paying customers with their loud mouth and propaganda tabloids.

That is your right to do so because "they were audibly bothering my paying customers with their loud mouth and propaganda tabloids."

Would you have done it because you just don't like Jehovas Witnesses??

originally posted by: Foderalover
I kicked out religious nutbags from my health food store plenty of times, usually jehovas witnesses, they were audibly bothering my paying customers with their loud mouth and propaganda tabloids.

I kicked out a religious nut from my business too.

He brought in his church donated computer and wanted it repaired for free because he does God's work.

That is not why I kicked him out.

It was his "four letter laced rant" when told NO!

a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

Oh god.

Wrong on all counts. Please stop before you make a fool out of yourself. Just please for your sake read up on fascism. Please.

a reply to: Annee

You should have told him, "Then have God fix it for you since you're doing his work for him. I get paid for my work."

a reply to: mOjOm

That extension has to still follow the laws put in place to regulate "extensions" then.

Laws that make non-criminal behaviors punishable, don't have to be followed.

That's why I carry a concealed weapon without a permit all the time, because I can.

Being outnumbered and outgunned by police is not evidence of any moral truth, either.

When your business serves everyone else but me simply because I am who I am then it is your business that has infringed upon my right to be treated equally when engaged in business.

That isn't a right, you have the right to be treated equal under the law. Business has nothing to do with that.

It is your business that has infringed upon my freedom of choice and excludes me from the same choices that everyone else has.

You don't have a right to someone's labor or property.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Annee

You should have told him, "Then have God fix it for you since you're doing his work for him. I get paid for my work."

Probably did say something like that.

He did not want to take NO for an answer. I think he turned the front door "blue" on his way out.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LewsTherinThelamon

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: nenothtu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: nenothtu

Exactly.

Secular government.

Discrimination occurs in private all the time.

This isn't about private.

Really? It's about whether government will bake a cake for a gay wedding then?

No, its not.

Its treating every customer the same.

You said public, public means government.

It is what the original subject is about.

A public business.

No, its about a private business. There's no such thing as public business. You're just changing definitions to suit your fancies.

originally posted by: LewsTherinThelamon

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LewsTherinThelamon

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: nenothtu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: nenothtu

Exactly.

Secular government.

Discrimination occurs in private all the time.

This isn't about private.

Really? It's about whether government will bake a cake for a gay wedding then?

No, its not.

Its treating every customer the same.

You said public, public means government.

It is what the original subject is about.

A public business.

No, its about a private business. There's no such thing as public business. You're just changing definitions to suit your fancies.

Prove to me they are working without a business license.

Do their customers arrive from an "air drop" so they don't use public access?

originally posted by: LewsTherinThelamon
Laws that make non-criminal behaviors punishable, don't have to be followed.

That's why I carry a concealed weapon without a permit all the time, because I can.

Being outnumbered and outgunned by police is not evidence of any moral truth, either.

So you just pick and choose what laws to follow then. Fine, I choose not to follow any RFRA laws then.

That isn't a right, you have the right to be treated equal under the law. Business has nothing to do with that.

Aren't businesses under the law as well??? Or do they exist and operate outside the law??

You don't have a right to someone's labor or property.

I never said I did. But that someone is offering their labor for sale and their property for sale. That was of their own free will to make the offer. I'm acting on my free will to take them up on their offer. I didn't force anyone to offer up anything. They made that choice.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

No. This isn't about control over People Behaviors or their Morality. It's about the regulation of Business Practices. Businesses are subject to certain laws and regulations even when people aren't. When a person is acting as an agent of a business they are then also subject to the laws and regulations of said business as well. There is a separation of the two.

Honestly, I don't even understand why there is an argument.

Secular government. Secular government business license. "Brick and Mortar" secular government taxed property.

Unless maybe you're selling oranges off your private land or in the parking lot of your church.

Also, currently, does not apply to an on-line business (as far as I know).

In most jurisdictions in the US your private land is also "secular government taxed property". This line of reasoning would also allow for the government to tell "two consenting adults what they can do inside their own bedroom" - because that bedroom is also a part of the "secular government taxed property".

Business that serves the public. A business that sells a product to the public.

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a reply to: Annee

Did they take out a business license?

We don't need permission to engage in commerce.

Probably required for their location?

Only if you're a statist.

Public road access, etc etc.

So, private businesses aren't private because we have to access them by public roads?

Then your house isn't private propretty because it has to be accessed through public roads.

originally posted by: LewsTherinThelamon

So, private businesses aren't private because we have to access them by public roads?

Then your house isn't private propretty because it has to be accessed through public roads.

Businesses that sell to the public.

All businesses in Walkerton, IN must have a government license.

And yes, public access is not private.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: nenothtu

First, you'll have to define what you mean by "equality". When you tell someone else how to run their life, is it not "equality" for them to tell you how to run your own as well? If you tell them what they are going to do and that they are going to like it, is it not "equality" for them to have the same privilege towards you?

I should be able to go in a store and buy the products they sell and not worry about being refused because of who I am.

By opening a business, you open to the public.

Ah, I see. "Equality under the law" is no longer your objective, then. You are looking for some other "equality" now.

I have to wonder if you would be willing to support the KKK with the same degree of fervor if a carpenter refused to build them a dais to speak from.

originally posted by: nenothtu

I have to wonder if you would be willing to support the KKK with the same degree of fervor if a carpenter refused to build them a dais to speak from.

Desperation.

When poster has to resort to KKK or communism or Nazi's - - - you know they have nothing left.

a reply to: arpgme Businesses don't have to hate gays, some feel uncomfortable. I would, being forced to do something is not the solution. Society is still digesting the same sex marriage, why try to ram it down their throats. I never thought it should be called marriage, it should have been called something else. The intelligent thing is to find a gay friendly company who will do it, not turn it into a media event. I think it hurts both sides when people start getting death threats.