How Many People Will Have To Migrate Out Of California When All The Water Disappears?

originally posted by: jude11
a reply to: arjunanda

So now we will have fellow Americans as the immigrants pouring over State lines to find a better life?

Interesting.

So when the States they run to start to see a drain on their economy, resources etc, will we see people in the streets calling for the deportation of fellow legal Americans?

Fight amongst each other while TPTB get stronger. Meanwhile, ask Nestle if they give a crap.

JUDE11

It wouldn't be the first time. There was the great dust-bowl depression in the 1930's, when families from the mid-West had to migrate due to mismanagement of the farmlands.

There's been a constant migration from California over the past few decades. They have been moving to places like Colarado, Arizona and Texas, then pushing for the same economic polices that got California into the mess they are in now.

a reply to: stormcell

Great point, thats a serious problem as well. Nobody needs to export California Economics ANYWHERE. Too busy "feeling good" about "giving folks a fish" rather than teaching em to fish. Not too mention they have been exporting their "hipster" rubbish enough as it is.

Work...the real Cross Fit

a reply to: arjunanda

How much time if California gets zero rain?? I'm sure they can still have drinking and bathing/washing water right?? I listen to the Joe Rogan podcast. Not that they are a great source of information, but they were saying California, or at least the LA area have 1 year left of water if there is no rain..

I don't really know what that would mean. after a year there is NO water at all? or after a year, it get's too hard to find to where they can 't guarantee you have tap water?

Rogan's funny idea was to have a pipe that attaches the melt water in the arctic into southern california, hahahaha... Oh but at least he's thinking about it..

This is actual doom porn.. It even has predictable consequences that WILL happen if nothing is changed.

Maybe it's time to release the Fusion reactors and salt extraction plants?? Martial Law starting in California.. That would be a twist.

My life has changed so much since I was a kid.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: arjunanda

More than one will be too many.
We don't need people that have that mindset infecting other states.

All anyone ever need to do if they wonder why America is such a mess is look at this post and see how completely we've allowed ourselves to become divided... to the point that we don't see each other as brothers and sisters but as a plague deserving to be starved out of existence.

Congrats...

originally posted by: Kali74

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: arjunanda

More than one will be too many.
We don't need people that have that mindset infecting other states.

All anyone ever need to do if they wonder why America is such a mess is look at this post and see how completely we've allowed ourselves to become divided... to the point that we don't see each other as brothers and sisters but as a plague deserving to be starved out of existence.

Congrats...

If anyone is interested in how California came to be in the circumstances that it is in, just look at how they have handled things up until now.
They have plenty of feel good legislation, but they have been playing the long-legged part in the ant and grasshopper fable.

As far as your admonitions regarding me go, I fail to see why you insist on pushing the Judeo-Christian based line of me being my brother's keeper.
Keep your drivel in your church.

Well this isn't going to be good for food prices.

What they need to do is ban lawns where they are not naturally grown. All those nice Hollywood homes with big lawns and fancy Golf courses should not exist in a freakin desert! Lawns provide no food source for people, unless you have goats. All the water should go towards drinking water and farmland because they're going to need it!

a reply to: arjunanda


I have ex-in laws that live out in a suburb of San Diego. Most of their grandkids live in PA, so if they do move, it would either be AZ, TX, or here in PA. (AZ and TX being where the other family lives.) I've always worried about them more with the wild fires, but with this drought, I've seen pictures of the lakes and streams. It's BAD! I grew up in CA for a short time in the valley. Atwater. I loved it there and would have loved to stay, but as a military brat, you can't pick and choose where you're going to live. We were shipped to NY, where I had my first of many surgeries and they allowed us to stay in NY because 2 years later, when we were about to transfer, my sister needed to exact same surgery. (Funny thing, my doctor's brother did her surgery.)

But anyhoo, I wouldn't be surprised if they migrate to any of those 3 states. I'd happily welcome them. They treat my daughter like any normal child and love her immensely. Sometimes, in my family, special needs means pariah. They love her, but she normally has to make the first step. Some family members that is, not all. Even though they are no longer my I laws, they tell everyone I am their daughter and my daughter is their grandchild. Very sweet people. They were very upset with the way their son treated me and his daughter during the divorce. We need more grandparents like them!

originally posted by: Sparkymedic
Well, for one, I can't see why anyone will migrate due to drought. They'll likely just keep taking all the freshwater from Canada... And more. Engineering had come quite far in terms of how to keep the water flowing.

I do find it interesting however, that the public has to keep a tight lid on their water use, but oil and fracking companies are exempt from the new water use restrictions.

Go figure.

Not to mention companies like Nestle can keep pumping water to make Bottled water like crazy!

originally posted by: KnightLight
a reply to: arjunanda

How much time if California gets zero rain?? I'm sure they can still have drinking and bathing/washing water right?? I listen to the Joe Rogan podcast. Not that they are a great source of information, but they were saying California, or at least the LA area have 1 year left of water if there is no rain..

I don't really know what that would mean. after a year there is NO water at all? or after a year, it get's too hard to find to where they can 't guarantee you have tap water?

Rogan's funny idea was to have a pipe that attaches the melt water in the arctic into southern california, hahahaha... Oh but at least he's thinking about it..

This is actual doom porn.. It even has predictable consequences that WILL happen if nothing is changed.

Maybe it's time to release the Fusion reactors and salt extraction plants?? Martial Law starting in California.. That would be a twist.

My life has changed so much since I was a kid.

Are you allowed to collect rain water in CA? I know some states you can, but some states or cities it's against the law. Perhaps if they can collect rain water before this became an issue, it wouldn't have gotten so bad? If they were not allowed before that is. Make it mandatory and have a truck go around and collect the water from the barrels for those that didn't want to collect. Something like it anyway.

originally posted by: asmall89
Well this isn't going to be good for food prices.

What they need to do is ban lawns where they are not naturally grown. All those nice Hollywood homes with big lawns and fancy Golf courses should not exist in a freakin desert! Lawns provide no food source for people, unless you have goats. All the water should go towards drinking water and farmland because they're going to need it!

They should require those faux lawns, that way you only have to brush it, not water it. Conserve water resources that way. Especially the bigger the lawn, the rule should be the more faux you should go!

Interesting concept, what goes around comes around. Here is a good link regarding the migration of people to California during the "Dust Bowl" years of the Great Depression.
Go west young man ......wait go east....errrr maybe south....north aint bad either.

For almost seventy years the story of white families from Oklahoma and neighboring states making their way to California in the midst of the Great Depression

faculty.washington.edu...

I can't remember all the threads I have read on ATS about how the next serious thing for the world will be water shortages for sure. Well I guess we all have front row seats now.

Regards, Iwinder

a reply to: Anyafaj

Lol I like this idea. Yeah who wants a real lawn anyway?

Now we just need some Hollywood celebs we can pay to advertise our faux lawns. If Brad Pitt does it, so will the rest of America.

originally posted by: asmall89
a reply to: Anyafaj

Lol I like this idea. Yeah who wants a real lawn anyway?

Now we just need some Hollywood celebs we can pay to advertise our faux lawns. If Brad Pitt does it, so will the rest of America.

I've seen home improvement shows use faux lawns in Nevada where there aren't much water resources, but the owner wanted a nice green lawn for their baby to crawl on. They brought out plants that were great for not so rainy seasons, and the faux lawn that you brush with a brush like roller to keep it looking lush and new, you get your green lawn effect without the watering and mowing. The best of both world. It's like the Astro Turf the NFL uses, only softer they said. If I were to redo a lawn on a how I owned, I would definitely buy that.

They are just preparing us for a new normal. The working class will have to pay the cost of population density while the owning class continues to enjoy the benefits of a huge crowd of consumers competing in one location. They won't actually let those consumers disperse.

They could pump sea water into the dry lakebeds of the mojave for evaporative desalination and actually make money on fixing the Salton Sea while they were at it, and while they were on desalination they should be able to sell nuclear power again as a necessary complementary technology- and they eventually will.

They'll do a second collapse of the real estate market in So Cal and consolidate ownership before saving LA, and while they at it they'll split the state up into the 5-7 states which I would characterize as Occupied Atzlan, San Angeles, Malibuchussetts, Bakersfield-ahoma, Silicon Valley, South Washington State and Commercial Trucks Only (North of the farms, East of the Bay, South of anything remotely resembling nature, there are some freeways and wearhouses and government buildings... thats where im talking about on this one).

They'll own more, they'll have more people by the balls, and then everything will go back up in value once they own it, and the political system will be even easier for them to wield so their end game will come together nicely.

If I had money and was for some reason attached to the idea that civilization as we know it must inevitably find a way forward (perhaps so my money won't become useless- i can see how success would necessitate optimism), then I would want to gain an interest in the agriculture of the central valley and the land along the freeways in the Mojave when the water problem was at critical mass, so that when everyone inevitably does what is necessary to save themselves I will be profiting from it.

a reply to: The Vagabond

you are waiting for the Fall?

I don't see a way out of it to be honest.. But population density is our intelligence our art our value.. People thinking less people is easier to control, sure, but the value keeping people rich would be gone as well. I say value not money as money is only a relative value marker.. It obviously becomes worthless the less people are around.

I'm hopeful as hell haha..

I'm not too worried about it either though.. It's just a thing.
I didn't ever expect to get out of this alive anyway.

a reply to: KnightLight

That's basically how I see it exactly- the wealthy will take us to the brink to make what they own and what they don't own look worthless and doomed, they'll buy a bigger share, then they'll use government to force the minority shareholders to give them a no-bid contract on saving their own majority stake in society. They don't want it to fall apart.

I dont want it to fall apart either- I like being comfortable, and the end of society would not be the end of having to play ridiculous games to survive and advance in life. End of the world / fall of civilization fantasies are all about becoming bigger in relation to the rest of the world, but the world is always going to be huge compared to us. So I grudgingly accept the world I criticize the way it is.

That being said, I don't view the prospect of society breaking down the way more important people might. My idea of good stuff is if rich people's stuff sits in a dirty stale aired shed for a few years without getting wet- i'm actually gonna have MORE access to good stuff than ever before a couple years after the breakdown of society. My idea of a home cooked meal is plopped out of a can and set over a flame for 5 minutes, just like mom used to make- and since I live almost exclusively on fast food instead of that, perhaps it will actually be a refreshing and healthy change of pace at first. With that goddamn kid at Autozone not standing between me and the correct part number anymore I might even finally have my truck running correctly after the end of the world.

a reply to: Anyafaj

Yeah thats not a bad idea for dry areas. It's a lot better than dirt and cactus! Especially if you have kids that want to play outside.

Don't get me wrong lawns fo have benefits to the environment but when you have them in dry areas it just strains water supply.

a reply to: The Vagabond

You explained how collapsing money is not the same as collapsing value pretty well with your So Cal house market comments..
It just makes the flow change..

It's like if you are playing mario and 100 stars = one extra life.. and then 1,000 stars = 1 life.. But you collapse local economy and you can buy up lives for 1 coin each.. IT's not who holds the coins in every case.. It's who knows or who is controlling the value of the coin.

But in any case I know on my own making the small wage I make, I could never make AC and HEAT and Electricity and computers and the internet... Music Art movies... Drugs... bandaids.. Cloth....

I'm rich as hell compared to anything I could do on my own.

We shall see..

I still have an extra weird hope we could pull it out.. We could win the lottery.. As a culture somehow maybe? There is a chance.

I mean do people realize eminem makes music JUST for me?? Think about it..

originally posted by: asmall89
a reply to: Anyafaj

Yeah thats not a bad idea for dry areas. It's a lot better than dirt and cactus! Especially if you have kids that want to play outside.

Don't get me wrong lawns fo have benefits to the environment but when you have them in dry areas it just strains water supply.

Exactly! With faux lawns, you get the best of both worlds. One of the HGTV shows, had the host, get the couple to law on the lawn and they could not get over just how soft it was. Once they saw it wasn't rough like Astro Turf, they were definitely all for their baby rolling around and playing in it. It was definitely a day I wish you could reach the TV so I could feel it myself! LOL (Kind of like that "Smell-o-Vision" TV the cooking shows tease us with. LOL)

a reply to: asmall89

Lawns have absolutely no value to the environment at all. I am not trying to be caustic , or slam you, but sedges and grasses have a place in praries and wet lands. If your house is in one of those, then great, honestly lawns and roads and buildings in place of trees, cane breaks and numerous other native plant stands/ecosystems have been replaced by our misplaced ideas of aesthetics. This is what is causing any perceivable rise in carbon, heat, cold etc...we have disrupted the natural norm for our ridiculous designs on civilization within the confines of nature.

A trimmed lawn does jack all nothing to perpetuate nature, insects the ecosystem ...ANYTHING in fact lawns dont even perpetuate themselves most of the time accept to some degree rhizome based grasses like agropyron repens, or perhaps Zoysja grass. They allow the escape of moisture from the soil they inhibit clovers and other species that feed honey bees etc...Lawns are a major problem, as well as outright stupid.