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originally posted by: IShotMyLastMuse
isn't autism kinda like ADD at this point?
there IS a condition but it's been broadened so much that just about anyone has autism or ADD?
and you are suggesting population control, or maybe more specifically eugenics to lower the population in order to correct climate change?
overpopulation is nonsense. there is space for all of us and even more, managing the resources should be the priority, we don't need to start offing people left and right, we just need to be more responsible.
originally posted by: SirKonstantin
a reply to: thinline
It's the Purge I want! LOL
So what Will the Autistic Generation Be Called?
We Have Currently......Baby Boomers ---> Millennials (1980-1990) ---> X Generation(2000) ---> Autistic Generation (WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD NAME FOR THIS???) ...The Women Supreme Generation...since all the boy will be stupid....or more stupid (a joke for the girls
originally posted by: redhorse
a reply to: SirKonstantin
Many of those on the autistic spectrum excel at understanding complex systems and abstract thought processes in general. Technological development is generally a pretty good place to stand if you want to contribute to society and both of those mentioned propensities are very useful here, even critical. I personally believe (and there is quite a bit of evidence to back me up) that many modern technological advances were developed by someone on the spectrum. Which means that autism may not be a cure for global warming and may contribute to it (if one takes the anthropogenic perspective).
Social opposition is inevitable for any human being but for many on the ASD spectrum this is more difficult than for most. Sometimes significantly so. There is a push-pull between social mistakes and the lack of social motivation (which translates often enough into just not caring what some think, which can be good and bad I suppose). Most manage just fine though.
As far as any that are confirmed ASD, contemporary and Making The World a Better place that is admittedly tough. Temple Grandin is one that I personally like a lot, and Daniel Tammet may make some in-roads with psychology in the end but these two (like many admitted ASD folks) do focus quite a bit on autism awareness. There is of course much, (even expert), speculation about Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Einstein, and even Leonardo da Vinci and well... a bunch of others but... It is just speculation at the end of the day.
On that note, as far as my children and I, we are all artists, so how much that contributes to society is subjective. I think art is an important contributing factor to culture with enormous accumulative impacts upon the human condition. We all like to feel important though don't we? Those kids can sure do things with computers I can't even begin to understand though, building, programming whatever... ducks to water. It would probably be more lucrative if they just stuck to software development or... something... dry, but they want to be creative too so... cool. They are leaning toward animation and game development.
I'm not sure why you seem to think that people on the autistic spectrum need to justify their existence with some monumental contribution to society though; that is a bafflingly distorted and myopic perspective all that the same time. Well done really. It does beg the question; what are you contributing to justify the resources that you're consuming? Yes, I know that's none of my business and/or you do plenty thank-you-very-much. I do have whisper of a suspicion that at the end of the day, it's not much really. Although you seem to excel at feeling superior and we always need more of that in the world. Makes the world go 'round really these days.
originally posted by: SirKonstantin
I have a lot to think about...
Neurodiversity advocates argue that people with autism shouldn’t be forced to fit into society, but that society should change to include and accept them. Race, walk, skip, hop, dump ice water over your head for the cure? No thanks, say some with autism. “Neurodiversity” advocates are not interested in finding a cure for autism. Rather than changing autistic people so that they fit into a narrow stripe of acceptable behavior in the world, they’d like to see the world expand its concept of acceptable behavior to include people with autism. As this study indicates, people with autism are actually less likely than non-autistic people to think parents should seek a cure for an autistic child. While it shows that people with autism have mixed feelings about their disorder, a large majority feels neutral to positive about the concept of neurodiversity. To a neurodiversity proponent, autism is a social problem. That is not to say that autism is fundamentally a problem with social skills; rather, it is a problem with society’s lack of tolerance for the range of thought patterns and behaviors that characterizes autism. A neurodiversity advocate might say, for example, that autistic people should not be forced to learn how to bring themselves to make eye contact, even if it makes them uncomfortable. The rest of us could learn to understand that lack of eye contact is not necessarily rude or weird but is part of the range of acceptable behavior. More than that: We could value the unique insights the autistic mind has to offer.
One form of therapy that has seen some popularity to address more challenging behaviors is Applied Behavioral Analysis Therapy, or ABA therapy. ABA therapy uses a system of rewards (for example, praise or a piece of candy) for a positive behavior and ignores undesired behaviors like tantrums and head banging. ABA has garnered some controversy among neurodiversity advocates. “We’re big supporters of speech therapy or occupational therapy, where the focus is on supporting someone to gain skills or find accommodations,” said Bascom. “ABA therapy is another story; the stated end goal of ABA is for the autistic child to become ‘indistinguishable from their peers,’ and we just don’t think that’s an ethical goal. Would we be able to justify that for any other child?”
One major concern about ABA is that its very intent is to make autistic kids act like typically-developing kids instead of being themselves. Kittay notes that ABA is ultimately based on psychologist B.F. Skinner’s outmoded ideas about how humans learn. “That whole research program has failed in so many different ways, yet it keeps getting resurrected even as it fails in a new generation,” she said. “It’s true it is one of the few ways of getting measurable results, but just because you’ve gotten measurable results doesn’t mean you’ve gotten results worth measuring.” She makes note of Noam Chomsky’s devastating 1959 takedown of Skinner’s behaviorism that paid attention to the idea that behaviorism was an implementable psychological theory. “Chomsky’s original critique of Skinner has never really been topped. Human beings just don’t work like that. There are much more respectful means of dealing with people. Behavioral modification doesn’t look at the real causes of behaviors, and there may be real issues you can address,” she said. Challenging behaviors in people with autism are usually caused by stress, worry, and pain. If those can be eliminated—with a healthy diet, exercise, structured routine, safe space for retreat, time outdoors, etc.—many of the challenging behaviors can be eliminated. “It’s worth noting that Ivar Lovaas, who originated ABA for autistic children, was also the co-investigator on the infamous ‘effeminate boys study,’ which used ABA principles in an attempt at normalization therapy for LGBT children,” adds Bascom. “The LGBT community, and much of the rest of society, rightly calls such tactics abusive when applied to LGBT children, yet ABA remains the treatment of choice for many autistic children.”
It happened that a Fox caught its tail in a trap, and in struggling to release himself lost all of it but the stump. At first he was ashamed to show himself among his fellow foxes. But at last he determined to put a bolder face upon his misfortune, and summoned all the foxes to a general meeting to consider a proposal which he had to place before them. When they had assembled together the Fox proposed that they should all do away with their tails. He pointed out how inconvenient a tail was when they were pursued by their enemies, the dogs; how much it was in the way when they desired to sit down and hold a friendly conversation with one another. He failed to see any advantage in carrying about such a useless encumbrance.
"That is all very well," said one of the older foxes; "but I do not think you would have recommended us to dispense with our chief ornament if you had not happened to lose it yourself."
Moral of Aesops Fable: Distrust interested advice
originally posted by: AdamuBureido
originally posted by: SirKonstantin
I have a lot to think about...
you certainly do the OP may be correct though and attempts to breed a slave race are nothing new
there is a growing push by some to make victims of autism the new normal or as something similar to the indigos[where;d they go?].
They Don’t Want an Autism Cureedit on th12Sat, 28 Mar 2015 15:12:05 -0500K201530531pm3 by SirKonstantin because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: johnwick
If one grows up in the country instead of the city they know there is plenty of space.
Only city folks believe we are running out of space or enough farmland to feed everyone.
When contrasting country life with city life, most people would pit red barns, vegetable patches and stargazing against skyscrapers, litter-strewn gutters and neon lights. The former way of life seems obviously the more environmentally friendly.
That line of reasoning fails, however, when it comes to who belts out more carbon dioxide. Despite the fact that the average city dweller may not have seen a starry night's sky for weeks, it turns out that he still manages to keep his carbon footprint smaller than that of the average person in the country. This finding by the International Institute for Environment and Development (IIED), a London-based nonprofit organization, has major implications for climate change.