Chechnya offers arms to Mexico to fight United States

originally posted by: Wookiep

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: lostbook

I read it yesterday and thought it was a funny propaganda stunt, just to show what the US is doing in the Ukraine.

Honestly, same here. I'm not sure what to think now, but if this is what Russia/Chechnya really intend to do then I guess the next step for them would be to convince the Mexicans (cartel) to start a war with the U.S. I highly doubt that will happen.

Russian supplied weapons or not, Mexico would not last too long..

They don't have a fight.

The Mexicans would surrender vast swaths of land at the first sight of american soldiers.

Followed immediately by application for status as a state, followed there by applications for food stamps.

Alphabet boys own the cartels too. If Mexico's gov't tries anything the cartels will take them out, which will prompt the USA to reestablish "democratic" rule. Similarly, if the cartels break the rules they will get stomped on by the combined efforts of both governments. Does this sound plausible to anyone else?

a reply to: lostbook

That is funny as hell. Really. Do they even understand the dynamic of power here? Mexico has ZERO beef with the US. Mexico would be our brothers in arms if they could afford to hang with us. This made me laugh.

Wow, thats pretty retarded. Spite and pride are expensive. Send them over. Mexico could use the guns! .....to use against any aggressor to the US...LOL

EDIT TO ADD:
I wonder if they even understand that HALF of Mexico is in the US. Half. Any attack on us would hurt their own country. Any effect on our economy would hurt their economy. Any conflict where any major US city is hurt will kill untold MILLIONS of their own citizens. Not to mention that Mexico kinda loves our country and culture.

This is the most retarded thing I have heard from Russia in a while. Just wow.

a reply to: lostbook

I guess the US should send arms then to Chechen rebels who don't want to live under Russian occupation.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: lostbook

I guess the US should send arms then to Chechen rebels who don't want to live under Russian occupation.

Hey, why not.. From there, we can have a whole bunch of countries arming other countries as "retaliation" to the countries they don't like all over the place. Like a big domino effect, might as well get this ball rolling, right? Hasn't this already been happening though?

I dunno, I think this is a non-issue. The cartels are already armed. Russia is just trying to make a statement, and I don't think it's going to work out very well in this case..

originally posted by: CaptainTwig
Alphabet boys own the cartels too. If Mexico's gov't tries anything the cartels will take them out, which will prompt the USA to reestablish "democratic" rule. Similarly, if the cartels break the rules they will get stomped on by the combined efforts of both governments. Does this sound plausible to anyone else?

I think it is more likely that the cartels serve as a convenient nuisance to the American government, providing, among other things:
1. An excuse for the 100 mile "Constitution Free" zone in which the police can effectively throw civil rights out the window when the excuse to stop and search someone is at hand.
2. An excuse to throw more good money after bad in the ridiculous war on drugs.
3. An excuse to attempt to erode the 2nd Amendment. (and they would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling Fast and Furious newshounds!)
4. An excuse for opening the southern border to an massive influx of "refugee" immigrants, fleeing the violence and seeking asylum. Useful because they will embrace the Meal Ticket that grants them amnesty and because all of this quantitative easing demands new Social Security numbers to assign Federal Reserve debt responsibility to.
5. An excuse for ramping up manufactured racial discord by creating a massive influx of new minorities into areas already economically overstressed and feeling the need for protectionism.

a reply to: Jonjonj

You may be right.

It wouldn't be the first time in history that such things happened. Oligarchs/Nobility being more powerful than the legitimate govt would be nothing new.

You may be onto something. You'll forgive me if I hope you're wrong???

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

1. An excuse for the 100 mile "Constitution Free" zone in which the police can effectively throw civil rights out the window when the excuse to stop and search someone is at hand.

A bit off topic so my apologies to the op. I wanted to clear this misconception up since I see it referenced a lot.

Here is the case law - Which is from 1976 by the way. The US Supreme Court allowed the reduced requirement s/ exemptions only at permanent border crossing locations. Anything NOT at one of those locations requires the same standard as any other law enforcement entity.

Bear in mind the ruling applies to CBP only since this deals specifically with Sovereignty.

* - Wiki - United States v. Martinez-Fuerte, 428 U.S. 543
* - Justia - United States v. Martinez-Fuerte
428 U.S. 543 (1976)

The court ruled 7 to 2 that the internal checkpoints were not a violation of the Fourth Amendment, but rather were consistent with the amendment. They went on to say that it would be impracticable for the officers to seek warrants for every vehicle searched and that to do so would eliminate any deterrent towards smuggling and illegal immigration. The court felt that any intrusion to motorists was a minimal one and that the government and public interest outweighed the constitutional rights of the individual.[1]

The court also ruled that the stops were Constitutional even if largely based on apparent Mexican ancestry.[2]

However the court added that restrictions still exist: "We have held that checkpoint searches are constitutional only if justified by consent or probable cause to search" (though the court did hold that the probable cause bar was low for permanent checkpoints with limited impact on motorists). The Court also held, "our holding today is limited to the type of stops described in this opinion. -[A]ny further detention...must be based on consent or probable cause. Our prior cases have limited significantly the reach of this congressional authorization, requiring probable cause for any vehicle search in the interior and reasonable suspicion for inquiry stops by roving patrols [as opposed to permanent checkpoints]." 428 U.S. 543, 567 (1976).

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: Wookiep

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: lostbook

I read it yesterday and thought it was a funny propaganda stunt, just to show what the US is doing in the Ukraine.

Honestly, same here. I'm not sure what to think now, but if this is what Russia/Chechnya really intend to do then I guess the next step for them would be to convince the Mexicans (cartel) to start a war with the U.S. I highly doubt that will happen.

Russian supplied weapons or not, Mexico would not last too long..

They don't have a fight.

The Mexicans would surrender vast swaths of land at the first sight of american soldiers.

Followed immediately by application for status as a state, followed there by applications for food stamps.

Ya, bet they'd like if we brought the border closer so they didn't have to walk so damn far.

a reply to: burdman30ott6
I was just speculating on how both of them could be used in the future. You definitely hit the nail on the head as to what their main purpose is though.

Obama already sent weapons to Mexico so they could be used against Americans, and many Americans dead from them including border patrol. Does Russia realize any more weapons sent to Mexico would be helping Obama? Obama isn't sorry for this. If Russia is against Obama, they should just focus their attacks on him alone. not offer to help him.

Extreme sarcasm for the ignorant lost in extreme denial, yet it's true.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
Never mind the Russians and Mexicans ,it's Canadian Bacon that will take the USA down again ....we are just waiting for the snow to melt at the moment .

My mm bacon Canada wins

a reply to: lostbook

I'm surprised nobody mentioned the Zimmerman Telegram:

The Zimmermann Telegram (or Zimmermann Note) was a 1917 diplomatic proposal from the German Empire offering a military alliance with Mexico, in the event of the United States entering World War I against Germany. The proposal was intercepted and decoded by British intelligence. Revelation of the contents outraged American public opinion, and helped generate support for the United States declaration of war on Germany in April of that year.[1] President Woodrow Wilson moved to arm American merchant ships to defend themselves against German submarines, which had started to attack them, although this was blocked by the US Congress.

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Agit8dChop

originally posted by: MrSpad
Considering the US already arms Mexico and trains Mexico forces this makes no sense. Then again Chechnya most likely has no idea how close US and Mexico ties are. I guess they did not notice the 2 frigates we gave Mexico in December. I bet Mexico is like thanks but, we do not need your junk.

I guess the obvious aspect people are somehow missing is that Chechnya wont be arming pro usa forces from Mexico, rather anti usa - rebel groups.

Where are they going to find such a group? None exist. And if they did the cartels would wipe them out because they need Amerca rich and healthy to keep on buying. And if that was the case why make a publc annoucement so the Mexcian government knows what your doing? No, I am pretty sure they are just clueless about the world.

The irony is that Mexico plans on US assistance in it strategic planning and the US depends on Mexican labor for its strategic planning if a global war that required the US to move to WW2 levels of mobilization breaks out.

originally posted by: starwarsisreal
a reply to: lostbook

I'm surprised nobody mentioned the Zimmerman Telegram:

The Zimmermann Telegram (or Zimmermann Note) was a 1917 diplomatic proposal from the German Empire offering a military alliance with Mexico, in the event of the United States entering World War I against Germany. The proposal was intercepted and decoded by British intelligence. Revelation of the contents outraged American public opinion, and helped generate support for the United States declaration of war on Germany in April of that year.[1] President Woodrow Wilson moved to arm American merchant ships to defend themselves against German submarines, which had started to attack them, although this was blocked by the US Congress.

en.wikipedia.org...

It is in the article in the OP. And it seems that Chenhnya's history books have not been updated since WW1.

originally posted by: greencmp
We already gave them plenty of weapons and we didn't even tag any of them.

I'd laugh if it wasn't completely true

originally posted by: Jonjonj
Forgive me OP and no offence but...No one offers arms to a country and tells them who they should use them against, it just doesn't happen.
At best what happens is a country will offer arms to a country that is in conflict on the premise that those arms will help.

So here's the question: Since when has Mexico been at war with the USA?
SMH

The battle at the Alamo comes to mind; however, I don't think one could classify that as a war.

LMAO

"Comrade Sanchez, we'd like to give you two cases of wonderful Chechen rifles. They've never been fired and only dropped once".

The Russians are playing the current weak kneed American leadership to the hilt aren't they.

"the 1980's are calling to ask for their foreign policy back" - President Obama

a reply to: greencmp

Didn't the US government supply weapons to Mexico in a fast and furious manner?

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: greencmp

Didn't the US government supply weapons to Mexico in a fast and furious manner?

Mexico military buys directly from the US. Drug cartels buy it in US cities.