The Mental Universe part 2

In the beginning God gain conciousness. As soon as the first flow of concious thinking filled His mind, the universe started to be created.

John 1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word is the first thinking, the very first moment of awareness. In order for the universe to be created the words had to be created, everything was named before creation.

Jeremiah 1:5 – “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you …”

We live in the mind of this God, like brain cells live in our brains. When we think of something a brain cell is selected or made to store that thought. So we are like brain cells, The God think therefore we are. We became to exist in the instant we are thought of.
The God has total control of us, as we have total control of our thought. Because we are an extension of Him. Since we are an extension of Him, we have the ability to think like He does. Because He made us like Him.

Genesis 1:26 - Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, …”

This could be an alternate beginning of the universe.

Any opinions?

a reply to: Abednego



We are definitely part of something organic at a universal scale.

a reply to: Abednego

The God has total control of us, as we have total control of our thought. Because we are an extension of Him. Since we are an extension of Him, we have the ability to think like He does. Because He made us like Him.

So no free will then?

If that's the case; I'm not to happy with Gods constant wars, and little kids starving!!!

Anyway, I don't think the Bible accurately reflects the true nature of GOD.

a reply to: Shadow Herder

Those who hold this theory profess to find in it the demonstration of some of the attributes of God. The worlds of the universe being infinitely numerous, God is thus seen to be infinite; vacuum, or nothingness, being nowhere, God is everywhere: God being everywhere, since everything is an integral part of God, He is thus seen to be the intelligent cause of all the phenomena of the universe. What can we oppose to this argument?

"The dictates of reason. Reflect on the assumption in question, and you will have no difficulty in detecting its absurdity."

The Pantheistic theory makes of God a material being, who, though endowed with a supreme intelligence, would only be on a larger scale what we are on a smaller one. But, as matter is incessantly undergoing transformation, God, if this theory were true, would have no stability. He would be subject to all the vicissitudes, and even to all the needs, of humanity He would lack one of the essential attributes of the Divinity, namely, unchangeableness. The properties of matter cannot be attributed to God without degrading our idea of the Divinity and all the subtleties of sophistry fail to solve the problem of His essential nature. We do not know what God is; but we know that it is impossible that He should not be and the theory just stated is in contradiction with His most essential attributes. It confounds the Creator with the creation, precisely as though we should consider an ingenious machine to be an integral portion of the mechanician who invented it.
The intelligence of God is revealed in His works, as is that of a painter in his picture; but the works of God are no more God Himself than the picture is the artist who conceived and painted it.

From the Spirits Book by Allan Kardec

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Abednego

The God has total control of us, as we have total control of our thought. Because we are an extension of Him. Since we are an extension of Him, we have the ability to think like He does. Because He made us like Him.

So no free will then?

If that's the case; I'm not to happy with Gods constant wars, and little kids starving!!!

Anyway, I don't think the Bible accurately reflects the true nature of GOD.

Its is the free will of man the causes such savagery and war, kids starving is due to mans greed. Has nothing to do with God.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Abednego

So no free will then?
If that's the case; I'm not to happy with Gods constant wars, and little kids starving!!!
Anyway, I don't think the Bible accurately reflects the true nature of GOD.

Free will can exist and it does exist. Think of this: You have control of some of your thoughts, but what is happening to the other thoughts in your mind? Did they disappear? No. They are there, your brain cells are keeping them active, even though you don't know it.
Does this sound familiar?: Why God don't do this or let this happen?
Even you cannot control all of your thinking at the same time. Just a few at a time. Meanwhile ...

a reply to: Abednego

WHAT? What does that even mean?

Free will is bunk! How do you equate thoughts and memories to free will? That doesn't even begin to make sense.

People are products of their environments. Therefore they do as they know.

The queen of England would not behave as a queen if she was born in the jungle, nor would she be the Queen of England. She would be adapted to her environment...for survival.

So why does she not act on free will to do as she wants and thinks, like a normal person? - assuming she isn't. Because she was raised in Buckingham Palace, not the jungle. And she will act like a Queen for survival.

Whatever you do with your life has nothing to do with free will. Instead it is due to what you have been able to adapt yourself to become as a person. Some people can make themselves very adaptable and thus successful depending on how they act on that ability to adapt.

Please do try and explain yourself. I easily could have misread everything you wrote.

In the beginning God gain conciousness

I agree with you wholeheartedly. The only thing I question in the above quote is "gain." I don't believe that's correct. In order for GOD to "gain" consciousness, he would have to be void of consciousness, first. I believe the CREATOR was ALL - all at once. JMHO. LOVE.






a reply to: Abednego

We (all life) are a way for God to express itself. "Before Abraham ever was, I AM!" This is a reference to awareness. It is the Alpha and Omega and we are it, only from an infinite number of unique viewpoints. God is greater than me but I am still one with God, as are we all.

a reply to: Sparkymedic

A young man living with his parents in the mountains (living of the mountains), make the decision of being something else.
He go to college, graduate, find a job and live in the city.
That's free will, because he choose what he wanted to do.
If he wanted to simply adapt, he would still be living in the mountains with his parents trying to make a living of the mountains. That's adaptation.

originally posted by: donktheclown


I agree with you wholeheartedly. The only thing I question in the above quote is "gain." I don't believe that's correct. In order for GOD to "gain" consciousness, he would have to be void of consciousness, first. I believe the CREATOR was ALL - all at once. JMHO. LOVE.

a reply to: Abednego

You are quite right. Thanks for the clarification. The "Creator" cannot be empty or void of consciousness. He probably did not put it into action.
Needs further analysis.

originally posted by: Abednego
In the beginning God gain conciousness. As soon as the first flow of concious thinking filled His mind, the universe started to be created.

John 1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word is the first thinking, the very first moment of awareness.

The 'word' is the 'concept'. The first concept that arose was 'individual.
God has always been conscious but before the first concept arose, 'individual', there was just what was happening. After the first concept arose, life was no longer just happening - it was suddenly happening 'to me'.
God is all there is but the first concept seemed to take on a life of its own.
Can a concept do anything or have anything?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: Abednego
In the beginning God gain conciousness. As soon as the first flow of concious thinking filled His mind, the universe started to be created.

John 1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word is the first thinking, the very first moment of awareness.

The 'word' is the 'concept'. The first concept that arose was 'individual.
God has always been conscious but before the first concept arose, 'individual', there was just what was happening. After the first concept arose, life was no longer just happening - it was suddenly happening 'to me'.
God is all there is but the first concept seemed to take on a life of its own.
Can a concept do anything or have anything?

The concept became something, because as soon as we think of something it comes into existence. Our mind will store that information even if we "forget it". So this "Mind" thought about us and let us go from there. It cannot "kill us", but just let us be.

We as concept of this "Mind" can do anything.

a reply to: Abednego
This is the non conceptual and within it and as it arise all concepts.

This is not a thing (not a concept) but it is doing everything - it is everything. There are no things - just words arising and subsiding, sounds arising and subsiding and it is not happening to anyone.
'Individual' is a concept.

Extract from the Sophia of Jesus:

"Before anything is visible of those that are visible, the majesty and the authority are in him, since he embraces the whole of the totalities, while nothing embraces him. For he is all mind."

i wouldnt imagine the macrocosm to be nearly so romantic and fantastical as you paint it. it most certainly isnt an organism in the way you suggest. lots of cold bitter space dotted with burning gas and frozen chunks of rock. not a giant bearded man or even an amorphous consciousness.

originally posted by: Abednego
Extract from the Sophia of Jesus:

"Before anything is visible of those that are visible, the majesty and the authority are in him, since he embraces the whole of the totalities, while nothing embraces him. For he is all mind."

Sounds like another Jesus compared to Jesus Christ son of The Highest:

"
But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil." - Luke 6:35

God is Love and his children are those who serve through love. Not everyone is a child of God.

God is Love and Love requires consciousness which means that God was, is, and will always be conscious.

originally posted by: arpgme


God is Love and Love requires consciousness which means that God was, is, and will always be conscious.

Are you conscious??
If God is conscious and you know you are conscious, then you might be God just pretending to be something other than just 'conscious'.

'Conscious' is not a thing - it is seeing and knowing of what is appearing.
You might have mistaken yourself to be a thing, when really you are just aware (conscious) of what is happening.

originally posted by: Abednego
a reply to: Sparkymedic

A young man living with his parents in the mountains (living of the mountains), make the decision of being something else.
He go to college, graduate, find a job and live in the city.
That's free will, because he choose what he wanted to do.
If he wanted to simply adapt, he would still be living in the mountains with his parents trying to make a living of the mountains. That's adaptation.

Incorrect.

Adaptation does not limit one to a region or lifestyle. Adaptation is what it is. You do it or you die. And it looks different for everyone.

Free will is an illusion based on the belief that the mind is separate of the body in which it is hosted. It is FREE to do as it chooses and no matter the environment that mind is in, it can do as it pleases. Obviously facing consequences no matter the direction one chooses.

This is a fallacy of epic proportions.

Is hunger solved with free will? No, its solved with the fact that if you do not eat, you will die. Therefore you eat! Cause and effect.

You don't come out of the mountains to live a prosperous life due to free will...there is a cause that sends someone on that path. The path they choose is the effect. The cause can be hunger for food or knowledge or a drive to see the world or whatever. Either way, it still boils down to cause and effect.

We are merely hyper complex machines. Nothing more, nothing less.

Much like the systems which exist to sustain our lives, we operate under the same principles.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

So, what is consciousness?

I don't think you're wrong, but neither do I think arpgme is either.

I personally don't think anyone really knows WHAT consciousness really is.