Donald Trump Announces Presidential Exploratory Committee for 2016

Well looks like our Republican choice is likely to be Jeb Bush - NO - no dynastic presidency!

Looks like our Democratic choice is likely to be Hillary - NO - again no dynasty, no "female role model "who slept her way into the job and stayed with the bum who cheated on her all her life

Or maybe Biden - LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA "gaffer Joe"

If "The Donald" were the 3rd choice, well I'd take him over creating a family dynasty system of presidency. He's starting to look real good compared to the other choices it looks like we'll be offered.

The other 2 are as rich as "The Donald" so not voting for him because he is rich is also ridiculous as the other 2 are quite wealthy 1%ers (Hillary through questionable land deals etc. : old and widely disseminated news : google it if you never heard of it)

a reply to: grandmakdw

Or here's a fancy idea, abandon the idea of a two-party system and vote for a candidate that snubs BOTH parties.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: grandmakdw

Or here's a fancy idea, abandon the idea of a two-party system and vote for a candidate that snubs BOTH parties.

I actually think the time has come that a third party has a real chance at winning.

The US desperately needs a third party now!

However, both established parties will do all they can with the help of the mainstream media to KILL even the beginnings of a third party.

For a change the libertarian party,
if they choose their candidate wisely, may have a chance,
IF and it is a big IF,
the mainstream media will give the libertarian equal coverage
and allow participation in debates and town halls.

(which I sincerely doubt will happen as CEO's of NBC,CBS,ABC,CNN
all have either a spouse or sibling working for either Obama directly
or in a highly placed position in the Democratic Party).

The Republican Party, well most here on ATS are Dems
and know all the faults of the Republican Party all to well.
I'm certain someone here will gladly step in and list them for me.

The Democratic Party has treated people of faith so badly through anti-theist legislation
(ie protecting people from exposure to religion by marginalizing theists
and forbidding public expression of faith)
that Hispanics who are historically highly religious
will abandon them as soon as they realize it;
the Dems scream against the rich but
all the Dems on capitol hill in positions of power are filthy rich 1%ers -
even Hillary - and the whispered third choice Gore;
they have abandoned the working white man campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com...

The only real hope for America right now is a third party.

And if it take "the Donald" to shake things up, well I'd go for it,

The USA needs to be shaken to its core politically and he may be just what is needed at this time in history -

if the Reps and Dems continue down their current paths.

At this point, "The Donald" couldn't make things any worse.

a reply to: Ceeker63

Donald Trump filed for bankruptcy in 1991, 1992, 2004 and 2009. He's sued people for making fun of him. He's a moronic birther. He's a paid spokesman for a multi-level marketing pyramid scheme. Need I go on?

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Need I go on?

Yeah, he makes hideous ties too.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Ceeker63

Donald Trump filed for bankruptcy in 1991, 1992, 2004 and 2009. He's sued people for making fun of him. He's a moronic birther. He's a paid spokesman for a multi-level marketing pyramid scheme. Need I go on?

And he recovered from bankruptcy.

The USA should have gone bankrupt already if it weren't for the decision to print our way out of it.

At least he has experience managing real money - not political funny money (print more when you need it).

If you like I could list all the moronic things Hillary has done through the years, her coverups, her personal destruction of women who slept with her husband, etc.

I'll let others list Jeb's problems, #1 for me is that the US does not need to be dynastic.

The Donald may have problems, but at least we know about them.

He honestly could not do worse than an establishment Democrat or establishment (Beohner style) Republican,
AND
both parties would be forced to work together,

even if against him, which might end up being a good thing.

Look at ATS, when you don't bash one party over the other, you don't get stars! or nasty comments!
Too many stars in a political forum mean you get one side to viscerally agree with you at the expense of the other side.
It means both sides disagree when you get no stars and no nasty comments - see how "The Donald" can help us all get along?
So right now both Republicans and Democrats on ATS agree to disagree with me! Yea! They are getting along! Go Donald

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Wow, you guys hit a solid point! The US needs a true Bankruptcy guru. Oddly Trump just might be the right guy.

That is scary...

a reply to: Chrisfishenstein I have looked at the Governor as a possible POTUS. I have looked at Rick Perry as well. He did a lot of good things for Texas while he was Governor. So there are at least 3 people that I am watching. It is a very long way to November 2016 for the vote. It is a wait and see game now.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Actually he COULD do worse since he has zero experience in an elected position. Look at all the problems Obama caused with his inexperience as an elected official before becoming President. You could totally tell that Obama's inexperience caused him to take a few years longer than most Presidents do to get a feel for the office. At least HE was a Senator prior, Trump hasn't held any political office.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: grandmakdw

Actually he COULD do worse since he has zero experience in an elected position. Look at all the problems Obama caused with his inexperience as an elected official before becoming President. You could totally tell that Obama's inexperience caused him to take a few years longer than most Presidents do to get a feel for the office. At least HE was a Senator prior, Trump hasn't held any political office.

Our country was founded on the idea of a citizen run government.

The founding fathers would roll over in their graves at the "lifetime" career of politicians.

Maybe being a citizen is what we need now.

It is the career politicians who have nearly destroyed our country.

A lot of people on ATS gripe how there really isn't a difference between the Rep and Dem politicians now,

so we need a shake up because career politicians

have brought the USA to what is now

teetering over the edge of becoming the Roman Empire

in the last gasp of it's days.

a reply to: crazyewok The overall idea, is find a business man capable of getting America back to a good place. Politicians talk like they can do this, but not one of them has done it. At least a CEO with a solid business background has a better chance at accomplishing this monumental task. Sure Donald has made mistakes who hasn't. You cannot argue that he is not successful.

originally posted by: grandmakdw
Our country was founded on the idea of a citizen run government.

The founding fathers would roll over in their graves at the "lifetime" career of politicians.

Having experience in politics doesn't necessarily mean that you have a lifetime career in politics.

Maybe being a citizen is what we need now.

I'm confused, aren't politicians citizens?

It is the career politicians who have nearly destroyed our country.

Our country isn't "nearly destroyed".

A lot of people on ATS gripe how there really isn't a difference between the Rep and Dem politicians now,

so we need a shake up because career politicians

Or we could try other parties than Republicans or Democrats.

have brought the USA to what is now

teetering over the edge of becoming the Roman Empire in the last gasp of it's days.

We aren't even close to the Roman Empire in its death knell.

The last thing we need in American politics is another soulless cretin who french kisses the asshole of big business while scoffing at the middle class peasants.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I will simply say, I disagree with you strongly on all points.

You have said he has no political experience, well all the people running right now are lifetime politicians.

A citizen government, is one where a person has a REAL job outside of politics, runs for office, holds office for a short time (never getting a government pension for it), and returns to a REAL job outside of politics and outside of the government. By real job, I mean a job where one does not have to "run" for office and all the deals that go on behind the scenes to raise money and to get into office. By real job I also mean one could own and run one's own business separate from the government or reliance on the government as a source of ones income.

Yes people who have come to the point where they can get a pension from the government for being in office, are not citizens, in the meaning of a citizen run government. Every single Republican and Democrat running today qualify as career politicians. That is BAD for our country, which was meant to be a citizen run government, people who NEVER make politics a career.

We are Rome in its last days:
the other countries in the world no longer respect the US as a world power
the US is actually bankrupt, but keeps printing money to pretend it isn't
the US exports through TV, Video Games, Hollywood, Hollywood Porn
...........a value system that glorifies violence, viewing women as sex objects, etc.
the US is encouraging multilingualism which breeds distrust through lack of communication
...........(it is monolingualism that unites countries)

We are also like Germany in the last days of Hitler:
we tolerate and even perpetuate the disparagement of one group of theists as evil (Christians)
we tolerate and are accelerating the spying of all citizens (emails/phone records kept by the government)
we encourage micromanagement of children (school lunch program/common core)

The USA is in a very sorry state, perhaps worse than the end of Rome, and now we are encouraging familial dynasties
Hillary/Jeb to run our country.

We may actually need someone outside of the current system who has driven the country into the ground, to pull it up to a functioning level.

originally posted by: grandmakdw
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I will simply say, I disagree with you strongly on all points.

I'm not surprised.

You have said he has no political experience, well all the people running right now are lifetime politicians.

So why is faulting Obama for his inexperience when he was elected in 2008 ok but for Trump it is a noble endeavor? Sounds like a double standard to me.

A citizen government, is one where a person has a REAL job outside of politics, runs for office, holds office for a short time (never getting a government pension for it), and returns to a REAL job outside of politics.

Yea we tried that. Then we found out that makes it so only the super rich run for office since they are the only ones who can afford to put aside their livelihood for the length of time that they serve in office. Even though there is a lot of money in politics currently and everyone leaves office rich, you CAN successfully run for office as a poor person with the way things are currently.

Yes people who have come to the point where they can get a pension from the government for being in office, are not citizens, in the meaning of a citizen government. Every single Republican and Democrat running today qualify as career politicians. That is BAD for our country, which was meant to be a citizen run government, people who NEVER make politics a career.

You just made all this up. A citizen is a citizen. Being a career politician doesn't make them "not a citizen". Out of touch with its constituents maybe, but they are certainly still a citizen.

It seems you have the wrong solution for problems in our government. The solution you should be pushing is term limits in Congress and state level offices. Pushing an politically inexperienced person to be President is just going to result in Obama 2.0. You should also be pushing for more third party exposure. Maybe reducing the requirements for a third party to obtain national funding for an election. I do agree that neither the Republicans nor the Democrats have our interests at heart and don't care for either party, but your solution sounds awful.

Businesses and governments are two different beasts. Businesses don't look after the welfare of the public, governments are supposed to. Businesses care only about profit and the bottom line, not people.

I do think that there are certain areas of government that could learn a thing or two from successful businesses (in terms of streamlining and efficiency) though.

I thought we were all sick of the corporatocracy that America is turning into? I mean, shouldn't we have an aversion to adding more businessmen into high profile positions of power? I realize it's almost an impossibility, but can we at least make an effort?

a reply to: Krazysh0t


We need someone totally outside the system, it doesn't have to be "the Donald" but someone with REAL life experience, with REAL money, and a firm grasp on how to successfully manage a large system, which the US has become.

I disagree that ANY establishment Democrat or Republican
can "fix" the US.

We are far far beyond that now.

The USA needs a radical change, one that the established politicians will all shudder at because it means a loss of the power and money they hold so dear.

Right now, ALL the major candidates are 1%er's! So your assertion that regular people can't run if we have a citizen government is wrong., they can't run now.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Businesses and governments are two different beasts. Businesses don't look after the welfare of the public, governments are supposed to. Businesses care only about profit and the bottom line, not people.

I do think that there are certain areas of government that could learn a thing or two from successful businesses (in terms of streamlining and efficiency) though.

I thought we were all sick of the corporatocracy that America is turning into? I mean, shouldn't we have an aversion to adding more businessmen into high profile positions of power? I realize it's almost an impossibility, but can we at least make an effort?

Our current government is NOT looking out for the welfare of the people.

It is attempting to micromanage the lives of every citizen (for the good of the citizen of course)

It is monitoring all activities of all citizens as much as it is capable of.

In other threads I have discussed www.health.gov...
the Health Departments recommendations of monitoring the activity levels of all citizens through smart TV's, and putting monitors in the shoes of children to make sure they get enough exercise.

I could go on and on.

But the Government no longer is for the citizen, it is for the career politician to gain more and more power. AND money, notice the longer a politician stays in office the richer, and quite a bit richer they become, until they become 1%er's within a relatively short time.
finance.townhall.com...

We need a radical change, be it "The Donald" or someone, something else.

The Government has actually caused the destruction of the black family through it's welfare policies forbidding families with fathers from getting welfare during a time when many black families were living in dire poverty, it only helped if the father left the home. Which has destroyed the black community and enslaved them to the government welfare system.

The Government has only messed things up and I for one am fed up with
all establishment politicians
and have NO HOPE
that any establishment politician
actually cares more about the people than him/herself
and their own power and pocketbooks.

a reply to: grandmakdw

I totally agree with you, minus the Dem's "War on Theology" part. But I don't think HairPiece McGee is the right candidate to "shake things up". He's registered Republican and will tow the party line to the T.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

You know there is not a single politician in their second term or beyond who would vote for term limits.

That is a wonderful, pie in the sky idea, but reality is, won't happen with our current system the way it is.

The political system has become too corrupt for the thought to even be entertained in DC.

And you know that is the truth.

The current system is nearly hopelessly broken
through abandoning the principals our country was founded on.

We need a radical change.

Too bad it won't happen

and finally the US will end up like Russia
probably before I die

with states breaking off into their own countries
and the US slowly disappearing into
irrelevance.