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originally posted by: stumason
Yeah, we might take a few hits from a nuke if they wan't to play that game, but nuclear war isn't the end of the world you seem to think it is. During the 1980's, the UK Government ran under the idea that even in a full exchange, 70% of the UK would actually be untouched. Sure, fallout is nasty, but that mostly goes away after a few years .
originally posted by: stumason
Essentially, you're of the Neville Chamberlain mindset and I am pretty sure that didn't work last time round.
originally posted by: crazyewok
originally posted by: Rocker2013
originally posted by: crazyewok
originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: Ploutonas
they are sending troops to train ukranian soldiers. that is a bit different than sending troops in to fight against russia.
Funny
I remember Vietnam starting like that.......
Yeah, and on a side note, I remember the Nazis invading and occupying the Northern and Eastern regions of Czechoslovakia under the pretense of "protecting German speakers" too...
No similarities to Russia invading Ukraine to "protect Russian speakers", of course.
/sarc
funny as I don't remember Hitler having 7000 nuclear bombs , nor do I remember UK or France having there own nuclear deterrence to prevent Hitler from steam rolling across Europe.
MAD makes 1930's Germany comparisons irrelevant.
The Ukraine situation is more like the USSR invasion of Hungary.
Russia may be in the wrong.
But they can have these border states as I don't want want to end up as atoms floating up a mushroom cloud.
Better a live coward that allows Ukraine to fall than radioactive dust.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Your immediate and blatant disregard for the lives of Ukrainians has been noted. What a selfish point of view.
originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: Bearack
Thats the thing. No one is coming for me or the UK.
Ukraine is a corrupt insignificant country many many miles from me.
Certainly not a place I want to die over.
Ukraine's problems are not my problems.
It is for Ukrainians to sort out.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Your immediate and blatant disregard for the lives of Ukrainians has been noted. What a selfish point of view.
No one is coming for me or the UK.
originally posted by: Rocker2013
originally posted by: crazyewok
originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: Ploutonas
they are sending troops to train ukranian soldiers. that is a bit different than sending troops in to fight against russia.
Funny
I remember Vietnam starting like that.......
Yeah, and on a side note, I remember the Nazis invading and occupying the Northern and Eastern regions of Czechoslovakia under the pretense of "protecting German speakers" too...
No similarities to Russia invading Ukraine to "protect Russian speakers", of course.
/sarc
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: crazyewok
No one is coming for me or the UK.
Not right now, but who's to say it couldn't happen in the future?
If we just let Ukraine fall to Russia or the separatists, what stops other countries from following RUssia example and annex parts of countries they feel are their's?
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
If I were able-bodied (by military standards), I would gladly sign up. I tried to when I turned 18 but was turned down due to a neurological problem. Not sure what use a middle-aged IT girl would have in the conflict, but I'd be happy to contribute.
originally posted by: crazyewok
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
So when then are you going to return to the US from Japan and sign up to the US army?
Those that call for war should do the fighting.
originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: Bearack
Thats the thing. No one is coming for me or the UK.
Ukraine is a corrupt insignificant country many many miles from me.
Certainly not a place I want to die over.
Ukraine's problems are not my problems.
It is for Ukrainians to sort out.
originally posted by: Bearack
Again, you're willingness to turn a blind eye to the plight of others suffrage is a prime example how we will never learn anything from history
originally posted by: noeltrotsky
originally posted by: crazyewok
Sure im all for more economic sanctions.
I would happily turf every single Russian oligarch out of London my self.
But I draw the line at military action in Ukraine.
As soon as you draw that line you have lost Ukraine. The dictator moves in, takes it and says F U. After that he takes another part of a country. Then again. Until you take away the 'line' you drew and say you will fight to stop him. History makes this fact very clear.
Unless you think Putin is like Ghandi...then I guess we should keep talking to him.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: Ploutonas
India belonged to Britain until the recent past.
Japan owned parts of China until the recent past.
Using "The past" as justification for invasion of the present, would render the world at war.
So don't use it here.
And you want to talk "parody" elections? Let's talk Crimea and it's "Referendum".
originally posted by: crazyewok
No offence but your #ing nuts!
I live in the south east and certainty don't want to take my chances being in that 70% over some poxy 3rd world country that was corrupt to its core anyway.
originally posted by: crazyewok
That because Neville Chamberlain and France did not have there own Nuclear deterrent.
originally posted by: crazyewok
I get fed up with these WW2 comparisons.
originally posted by: crazyewok
Neither side had nukes.
originally posted by: crazyewok
Hitler steamrolled over Europe because he could.
originally posted by: crazyewok
Putin cant go further than Ukraine as he hits NATO and a rain of Nuclear death.
originally posted by: crazyewok
If you want to make comparisons?
The soviet Invasion of Hungary or Afghanistan.
We let that go.
originally posted by: crazyewok
And as for comparing population as who will win?
Good lcuk with that as I certainty wont be taking up arms conscription or not. Not over Ukraine.
originally posted by: stumason
Fine, you do that. It'll be the coal mines or farms for you then