How Thatcher’s Government Covered Up a VIP Pedophile Ring

originally posted by: Forensick

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
One question I do have, how can someone protect paedophiles and their sordid ways? Because that's what Cameron and his Government are doing, when they try to sabotage the inquiry into historical child abuse claims in Whitehall.

Unlike previous governments the current lot have put in a full and independent inquiry into the allegations of historic sexual abuse, some allegations predating Thatcher's government. Try to put your hatred aside of Cameron and you may see things clearer.

www.gov.uk...

Well put!

When I read it and heard Justice xxxxx was going to lead the investigation my initial thought was 'oh no, not an overprivelidged Peer who was probably part of it' then continued to see an overseas well qualified and experienced person which in my opinion seems really Independent and a very good call by May. Hopefully she will get to the bottom of this and I personally think it's too sensational to be true, but if it is, wow, story of the century and absolutely sickening.

Where have you been? The New Zealand Judge they have just appointed is the third person to be appointed as chair person to the inquiry. The previous two were people so embedded in the establishment, their connections left their dealings in the inquiry untenable. First person was the sister of the Attorney General at the time the dossier was passed to Leon Brittan, the second was an acquaintance of Leon Brittan and had spent a number of evenings socialising with him.

When allegations of a dossier being passed over to Leon Brittan in the 80's first surfaced, Cameron stated that it was just some conspiracy theory. It then becomes actual fact and he hasn't apologised once for making the statement. Not that I'm surprised by this, as Cameron is such a pig headed posh boy, who probably doesn't see anything wrong with what has historically taken place.

While it is good that politicians are appearing to support an investigation now, there is no way that upon entering politics they didn't hear stories of young party members being preyed upon or told which older members to avoid, who the weird ones were etc yet they kept their mouths shut because it was politically beneficial to not rock the boat. That makes them culpable and complicit to a small degree. Even more so as they rose up the ladder. It took a few journalists actually taking their job seriously to begin blowing this open, very few people in parliament stuck their neck out and called it while those that did were stifled.

I have seen a list containing the names of MP's and local councillors that were successfully prosecuted with details of the individual charges and sentences over around a 10-15 year period from all the different parties and it is well over 100 names, this is no doubt just a glimpse of what is actually going on, whether we ever find out how deep it goes is something else entirely.

They say they don't want a witch hunt but that's precisely what it's going to turn into if justice isn't carried out transparently. There may be a time when we as a people stand up for these kids and begin actively hunting the perpetrators, in that event they'll only have themselves to blame.

The *tragedy* in this whole sordid business is that historically the

average person was totally unaware that such evil existed, and

now that it is finally coming out it is too late for the many

'children' who have ended up dead/murdered and other victims

having to live with the burden and legacy of the abuse for so

long... So many stolen childhoods/lives.


And now some/many of the disgusting perpetrators having died

will have escaped any punishment due to them ....

..... God I hope there is a HELL

originally posted by: eletheia


The *tragedy* in this whole sordid business is that historically the

average person was totally unaware that such evil existed, and

now that it is finally coming out it is too late for the many

'children' who have ended up dead/murdered and other victims

having to live with the burden and legacy of the abuse for so

long... So many stolen childhoods/lives.


And now some/many of the disgusting perpetrators having died

will have escaped any punishment due to them ....

..... God I hope there is a HELL

Yeah, totally agree. But, it's okay because 'call me Dave' is on it, like a car bonnet.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
One question I do have, how can someone protect paedophiles and their sordid ways? Because that's what Cameron and his Government are doing, when they try to sabotage the inquiry into historical child abuse claims in Whitehall.

Unlike previous governments the current lot have put in a full and independent inquiry into the allegations of historic sexual abuse, some allegations predating Thatcher's government. Try to put your hatred aside of Cameron and you may see things clearer.

www.gov.uk...

I see things very clearly, but thanks for your concern. I don't understand apologists of 'call me Dave', but if you think it's okay then I'm sure it isn't.

originally posted by: uncommitted
a reply to: illuminnaughty

I doubt you will find anyone in a decent society that would even attempt to defend savil, or try and find any justification for what he did, but why do you constantly keep coming up with this guilt by association? He was friends with Elvis Presley, he was friends with the Beatles and doubtless with other musical acts over the years - are they all child abusers as well?

Elvis was a pedophile. Priscilla was 14 when she started going out with him.
At the time of meeting her he was already living with another girl even younger than Priscilla.
He like prepubescent girls. ie he was a pedophile.

originally posted by: lifecitizen

originally posted by: uncommitted
a reply to: illuminnaughty

I doubt you will find anyone in a decent society that would even attempt to defend savil, or try and find any justification for what he did, but why do you constantly keep coming up with this guilt by association? He was friends with Elvis Presley, he was friends with the Beatles and doubtless with other musical acts over the years - are they all child abusers as well?

Elvis was a pedophile. Priscilla was 14 when she started going out with him.
At the time of meeting her he was already living with another girl even younger than Priscilla.
He like prepubescent girls. ie he was a pedophile.

Almost all 14 year old girls are post-pubescent.

originally posted by: uncommitted
a reply to: illuminnaughty

I doubt you will find anyone in a decent society that would even attempt to defend savil, or try and find any justification for what he did, but why do you constantly keep coming up with this guilt by association? He was friends with Elvis Presley, he was friends with the Beatles and doubtless with other musical acts over the years - are they all child abusers as well?

I agree. These are the claims of someone who wants to think evil of everyone.

I dont know about thinking evil of every one. How ever when it comes to abusing children then a line is drawn IMO. Maggy knew about it with out a doubt, so in my mind she is just as guilty. For allowing it to happen to the children involved who`s lives were destroyed by these vile creatures. Not only Maggy knew but also others within our govt. These people who are there to serve us, allowed evil creatures to abuse us and our children. IMO they should all be arrested and given long prison terms. Children taken from care homes to be abused by politicians? Then filmed by m eye 5 so that they can be black mailed into doing what ever. Evil is not the word for these creatures and those who allowed it to happen. Be it the police or security servises or others within our govt. Cover up after cover up is all we are getting.

this s##t runs so deep it's ridiculous. the 'great and the good' are anything but. also, they are immune to any fallout within their miserable lifetimes.

Kiddie Raper Club = too big to fail.

If there were ever a reason for pitchforks and torches ...

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: lifecitizen

originally posted by: uncommitted
a reply to: illuminnaughty

I doubt you will find anyone in a decent society that would even attempt to defend savil, or try and find any justification for what he did, but why do you constantly keep coming up with this guilt by association? He was friends with Elvis Presley, he was friends with the Beatles and doubtless with other musical acts over the years - are they all child abusers as well?

Elvis was a pedophile. Priscilla was 14 when she started going out with him.
At the time of meeting her he was already living with another girl even younger than Priscilla.
He like prepubescent girls. ie he was a pedophile.

Almost all 14 year old girls are post-pubescent.

And? that's what I said so I realise that.

originally posted by: illuminnaughty
I dont know about thinking evil of every one. How ever when it comes to abusing children then a line is drawn IMO. Maggy knew about it with out a doubt, so in my mind she is just as guilty. For allowing it to happen to the children involved who`s lives were destroyed by these vile creatures. Not only Maggy knew but also others within our govt. These people who are there to serve us, allowed evil creatures to abuse us and our children. IMO they should all be arrested and given long prison terms. Children taken from care homes to be abused by politicians? Then filmed by m eye 5 so that they can be black mailed into doing what ever. Evil is not the word for these creatures and those who allowed it to happen. Be it the police or security servises or others within our govt. Cover up after cover up is all we are getting.

I don't think anyone here is disputing that people who commit crimes against children and those who protect them should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But that doesn't mean that everyone who met that man knew he was a pedophile or in any way protected him. Your icon shows him with Prince Charles and Prince Charles laughing. Is it your implication that Prince Charles is culpable in some way? If it is, you should prove it. Suggesting that someone is a pedophile or is colluding with or protecting a pedophile when they aren't should also be a criminal offense.

originally posted by: illuminnaughty
I dont know about thinking evil of every one. How ever when it comes to abusing children then a line is drawn IMO. Maggy knew about it with out a doubt, so in my mind she is just as guilty. For allowing it to happen to the children involved who`s lives were destroyed by these vile creatures. Not only Maggy knew but also others within our govt.

Margaret Thatcher was ousted by her own MP's and resigned in 1990.

Could it have been a stance taken by them before the abuse came out?

*Child Abuse* wasn't even on the radar prior to Esther Rantzen founding

Child Line in 1986, 30 years after she herself had been molested

by an 'Uncle' in the 1950's.

Prior to Child Line (1986) there was little known or believed

that young children were actually being abused.

a reply to: Tangerine

If I hung around with one of the biggest child molesters in history and treated him like a member of my family for 40 years. ( He used to run about F*ckinham palace as if he owned it in his track suits and trainers with his bling jangling.) Then the police would be feeling my collar and any excuse I offered wouldnt be enough. Lets remember that Charles also had the highest security in the country protecting him. Yet no one knew about this vile creature raping and abusing children? Ignorance is no defence or so the judge will tell you if you are in a court. I did have a copy of the birthday card that he sent savil thanking him for the girls and that no one would ever know how much he had done for the country. I am gutted now that I lost it when my lap top crashed. Any time some one began investigating these crimes against the weakest in our soceity, it was shelved or the police threatened the children making the complaint. Every thing was covered up and these criminals were allowed to continue raping defenceless children. The time for pitch forks is way over due, the complete system is corrupt and needs pulling down.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: illuminnaughty
I dont know about thinking evil of every one. How ever when it comes to abusing children then a line is drawn IMO. Maggy knew about it with out a doubt, so in my mind she is just as guilty. For allowing it to happen to the children involved who`s lives were destroyed by these vile creatures. Not only Maggy knew but also others within our govt. These people who are there to serve us, allowed evil creatures to abuse us and our children. IMO they should all be arrested and given long prison terms. Children taken from care homes to be abused by politicians? Then filmed by m eye 5 so that they can be black mailed into doing what ever. Evil is not the word for these creatures and those who allowed it to happen. Be it the police or security servises or others within our govt. Cover up after cover up is all we are getting.

I don't think anyone here is disputing that people who commit crimes against children and those who protect them should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But that doesn't mean that everyone who met that man knew he was a pedophile or in any way protected him. Your icon shows him with Prince Charles and Prince Charles laughing. Is it your implication that Prince Charles is culpable in some way? If it is, you should prove it. Suggesting that someone is a pedophile or is colluding with or protecting a pedophile when they aren't should also be a criminal offense.

Ahhh Tangerine, im still waiting for you to reply to my posts calling you out on the prince andy thread, you know, the one where you ignored all the facts and went on to blindly defend him; anyhow, putting that aside...

Lets not forget, people knew about Jimmy Saville, it was common knowledge in showbiz circles... People who chose to acquaint themselves with him who were from that circle most likely already had knowledge of the whispers/rumours that were going around.

a reply to: HumanPLC

I still question just how guilty Savile was. Part of me still thinks he is/was being used as a scapegoat to cover up others crimes.

I watched the Louis Theroux documentary on him not so long back, and not in so many words, Savile kind of indicated that whilst he didn't personally nonce kids, there was something going on high up in the ranks of society that he knew about.

I'm not defending him, I now believe he was guilty of something, but maybe not as much as we are being led to believe.

If there is anything to that, it didn't work and now the proverbial cat is out of the bag.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: illuminnaughty
I dont know about thinking evil of every one. How ever when it comes to abusing children then a line is drawn IMO. Maggy knew about it with out a doubt, so in my mind she is just as guilty. For allowing it to happen to the children involved who`s lives were destroyed by these vile creatures. Not only Maggy knew but also others within our govt. These people who are there to serve us, allowed evil creatures to abuse us and our children. IMO they should all be arrested and given long prison terms. Children taken from care homes to be abused by politicians? Then filmed by m eye 5 so that they can be black mailed into doing what ever. Evil is not the word for these creatures and those who allowed it to happen. Be it the police or security servises or others within our govt. Cover up after cover up is all we are getting.

I don't think anyone here is disputing that people who commit crimes against children and those who protect them should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But that doesn't mean that everyone who met that man knew he was a pedophile or in any way protected him. Your icon shows him with Prince Charles and Prince Charles laughing. Is it your implication that Prince Charles is culpable in some way? If it is, you should prove it. Suggesting that someone is a pedophile or is colluding with or protecting a pedophile when they aren't should also be a criminal offense.

I don't know how complicit the royals are if at all but the level of vetting that goes on by the security services to hang out with them in a social capacity makes it pretty much impossible for those agencies to miss.

I had a girlfriend who started as a runner at the bbc nearly 15 years ago, within a month of starting she'd told me about the rumours which I didn't really believe at the time. They included the necrophillia, the hospitals and also a story about an underage girl who hung herself in Saville's house that was covered up which I have no doubt will eventually come out as well as other prominent celebrities at bbc who had been arrested quietly that I won't name here but I have since reported. It wasn't just an open secret it was openly discussed even amongst the new staff.

I'm judged by the company I keep and limit my social circle accordingly, I don't see why the royals who are afforded an even greater ability to scrutinise theirs should be held to a different standard.

originally posted by: illuminnaughty
a reply to: Tangerine

If I hung around with one of the biggest child molesters in history and treated him like a member of my family for 40 years. ( He used to run about F*ckinham palace as if he owned it in his track suits and trainers with his bling jangling.) Then the police would be feeling my collar and any excuse I offered wouldnt be enough. Lets remember that Charles also had the highest security in the country protecting him. Yet no one knew about this vile creature raping and abusing children? Ignorance is no defence or so the judge will tell you if you are in a court. I did have a copy of the birthday card that he sent savil thanking him for the girls and that no one would ever know how much he had done for the country. I am gutted now that I lost it when my lap top crashed. Any time some one began investigating these crimes against the weakest in our soceity, it was shelved or the police threatened the children making the complaint. Every thing was covered up and these criminals were allowed to continue raping defenceless children. The time for pitch forks is way over due, the complete system is corrupt and needs pulling down.

Yeah, sure. You had a copy of that card. Your credibility just bottomed out. There's a real perverseness in accusing people of child molestation when there's zero evidence that they are guilty of it. It's called projection.

originally posted by: HumanPLC

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: illuminnaughty
I dont know about thinking evil of every one. How ever when it comes to abusing children then a line is drawn IMO. Maggy knew about it with out a doubt, so in my mind she is just as guilty. For allowing it to happen to the children involved who`s lives were destroyed by these vile creatures. Not only Maggy knew but also others within our govt. These people who are there to serve us, allowed evil creatures to abuse us and our children. IMO they should all be arrested and given long prison terms. Children taken from care homes to be abused by politicians? Then filmed by m eye 5 so that they can be black mailed into doing what ever. Evil is not the word for these creatures and those who allowed it to happen. Be it the police or security servises or others within our govt. Cover up after cover up is all we are getting.

I don't think anyone here is disputing that people who commit crimes against children and those who protect them should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But that doesn't mean that everyone who met that man knew he was a pedophile or in any way protected him. Your icon shows him with Prince Charles and Prince Charles laughing. Is it your implication that Prince Charles is culpable in some way? If it is, you should prove it. Suggesting that someone is a pedophile or is colluding with or protecting a pedophile when they aren't should also be a criminal offense.

Ahhh Tangerine, im still waiting for you to reply to my posts calling you out on the prince andy thread, you know, the one where you ignored all the facts and went on to blindly defend him; anyhow, putting that aside...

Lets not forget, people knew about Jimmy Saville, it was common knowledge in showbiz circles... People who chose to acquaint themselves with him who were from that circle most likely already had knowledge of the whispers/rumours that were going around.

Whispers and rumors aren't evidence. Facts? Why don't you take this opportunity right here to name the prince you claim molested children and cite the actual evidence (not innuendo, not guilt by association, not whispers and rumors). Evidence: you know, the stuff that actually stands up in court. Names, dates, your eye-witness testimony or other proof.