North Korea Is A Liberal Utopia

Freedom.

Right.

Except ...

Not freedom of someone's own body.

Not freedom to go into a store and do business as the rest of the public does.

Not freedom to speak one's own mind about religion and not be called anti-Christian or atheist (or worse.)

Not freedom to speak about different political positions and not be called a communist or fascist.

Not freedom to challenge police overreach without being called an anarchist or unAmerican or lawless.

Not freedom to ask for evidence or proof without being shouted down for trying to stifle someone's beliefs.

Not freedom to value education, learning and culture without being called an elitist.

Not freedom to stand up for basic human rights without being labeled as playing the "race card."

Not freedom to challenge the political correctness of others without being called a totalitarian.

... and on and on.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

originally posted by: ketsuko
My argument in favor of social conservative positions is generally from the attempt to make the case for it not to advocate for it legally.

I live in a country where we are not taxed for many of the basic services. One of these being garbage removal. We are so free to pay a private garbage collector or to figure out what to do with our refuse. Most people appreciate the value of the service and don't think twice about paying but still this is a very common sight,

You cannot force people to live the way you think they ought to from any side of the divide, not unless you are willing to stick a gun to their heads to make them do it.

Right, but it seems like the only way to curb certain actions, like the above, is to do just that. As a private person, that can get you in trouble, when you live within social constuct, which is why the common man appeals to government.

a reply to: xuenchen

Yeah, you know like Scandinavia. It is filled with communist labor camps

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Freedom.

Right.

Except ...

here we go. . .

Not freedom of someone's own body.

Freedom of ones own body is paramount, but you ignore the body of the unborn child.

Not freedom to go into a store and do business as the rest of the public does.

Really? Wow. I suppose next you'll say that we are against breathing. (roll eyes)

Not freedom to speak one's own mind about religion and not be called anti-Christian or atheist (or worse.)

Freedom to worship however you wish is also paramount, I don't understand why people don't get that.

Not freedom to speak about different political positions and not be called a communist or fascist.

Sticks and stones. . . . really, are we going to control speech because of butt-hurt?

Not freedom to challenge police overreach without being called an anarchist or unAmerican or lawless.

On this point, agreed.

Not freedom to ask for evidence or proof without being shouted down for trying to stifle someone's beliefs.

Who cares what someone believes?

Not freedom to value education, learning and culture without being called an elitist.

An elitist acts without the benefit of education. A leader performs with that benefit.

Not freedom to stand up for basic human rights without being labeled as playing the "race card."

When we can start judging people by their character instead of their race, then we might be able to move forward.

Not freedom to challenge the political correctness of others without being called a totalitarian.

A totalitarian doesn't want to challenge freedom, a totalitarian wants to eliminate it.

... and on and on.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

Word.

a reply to: beezzer

In order of your replies:

Who said anything about pregnancy?

Quote me, scarecrow.

Side step.

I spoke of freedom of speech not controlling speech; see your own rants about political correctness.

Joy.

Rapture.

True. Another side step.

I actually believe you mean that.

Right, like the hypocrites that act as outlined here.

Excel.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Gryphon66

you left off "communist"


and
bleeding heart
lily-livered
tree-hugging

While I am a Lib I ain't no tree hugger lol, I tolerate nature ,three days in the green country side will have me scratching at the door like a cat trying to get out, beaches are ok though I could live on a beach

a reply to: Gryphon66

If you want to hate, then that is your right.

Personally, I like freedom.

a reply to: beezzer

Beezzer don't you think Con leadership over use the word freedom?..I mean they use it for everrry thing.
Bomb a country= Freedom!
Hate on da gayz by restricting them a contract or services between two grown people= freedom!
An ally don't want to join a coalition over an invasion based on a lie, start a protest by renaming French Fries FREEDOM FRIES! .
It has gotten me so nervous every time I hear a Rep leader says Freedom ! my heart start to palpitate ..

North Korea? Seriously? The place is a vast prison camp run by a fat fascist with communist leanings who does not believe in democracy. And yet there's supposed to be a link to liberalism? The level of ignorance on this site is rising again...

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: beezzer

Beezzer don't you think Con leadership over use the word freedom?..I mean they use it for everrry thing.
Bomb a country= Freedom!
Hate on da gayz by restricting them a contract or services between two grown people= freedom!
An ally don't want to join a coalition over an invasion based on a lie, start a protest by renaming French Fries FREEDOM FRIES! .
It has gotten me so nervous every time I hear a Rep leader says Freedom ! my heart start to palpitate ..

I could care less how people use the word. Left and right abuse it.

We now have "freedom" not to worry about making medical decsions.

Isn't that "freedom" wonderful?

originally posted by: Metallicus
Only military and government officials can own motor vehicles...great for combating global warming.

Not true,maybe add farmers to the list and anyone else that needs a vehicle to do their job.

originally posted by: Metallicus
All legal televisions are tuned to state-controlled domestic programming...helping to spread the progressive agenda.

You could argue that ours are the same we just dont realise it,pirate tv stations carry a heavy fine.

originally posted by: Metallicus
Nearly all property belongs to the state...allows for the government to allocate resources.

Housing is free in the DPRK,an alien concept to us.

originally posted by: Metallicus
Religious freedom does not exist...allows liberals to have their utopia without God or religion.

Not true although DPRK is largely atheist there are a few churches dotted around.

originally posted by: MetallicusNorth Korea is officially not Communist it is "Juche"...liberals are not communists (they told you so).

No country has ever reached the stage of communism,they are socialist and the juche idea is a socialist ideology with communism as the end goal,the juche idea differs quite a bit from russian style socialism.

originally posted by: MetallicusPossessing Bibles is punished by death in North Korea...allows liberals to stamp out Christians and their annoying religion.

originally posted by: MetallicusWearing jeans is illegal in North Korea...not sure how this is useful, but what the heck.

Im guessing your source for this info is cnn and bbc news?

originally posted by: MetallicusNorth Korea holds elections every 5 years in which the ballots list only one candidate...keeps the liberal oligarchs in power.

The workers party of korea is not the only political party in the DPRK.

originally posted by: MetallicusDisclaimer: This post is somewhat tongue in cheek.

Still, its reinforcing a lot of false info that was conjured up by the MSM

The DPRK is demonised by the west because they wont play ball with the US,since the US cant fight them military it resorts to sanctions and propaganda,it is constantly working to undermine the DPRK system and prevent a reunification between the north and south.

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Gryphon66

If you want to hate, then that is your right.

Personally, I like freedom.

Hate? What in the world are you talking about? Hate because I point out the truth about right-wing hypocrisy?

I like freedom too. In fact I love it.

I just wish folks weren't trying to take it away because of my political and religious beliefs!

originally posted by: ubiqaf

Yeah, you know like Scandinavia. It is filled with communist labor camps

That's a shame.

We don't hear much about that.

a reply to: xuenchen

You're such a troll, xuenchen. Such a troll.

lol!!!

To even compare liberalism with a military state is absurd to say the least. If we are talking about liberal and conservative in terms of what occurs in the US, then the following could be said: military buildup has been a republican goal for a long time, while liberals have been against wasting money on the military. North Korea centers around its military, because it is a militaristic state. The fundamental aspects of your argument just break down. All funding goes for military endeavors in NK, NOT for the people. Liberal beliefs hinge on bettering the lives of common citizens as a whole. So your argument has no basis in fact. It is akin to all the arguments used by conservatives, this sort of black and white thinking that cannot comprehend, let alone use consistent and logical arguments, much of anything when it comes to politics. And this manifests mostly in criticism directed at the liberal ideology. The truth is that a liberal state would be focused on bettering the lives of the citizenry at the expense of things like military spending, which would run completely counter to conservative ideology, again when using the terms liberal and conservative as they apply to the United States. Liberal states are not oppressive, and do not have dictators, plain and simple. And in my opinion liberalism does not border on communism or socialism, because these latter two doctrines have always been oppressive. True liberalism, as practiced in the US, is about freedom. Now if true communism or socialism would ever be put into practice correctly, with no oppressive government, it would be much more liberal in my opinion. That would truly be a great society to live in, but true socialism without oppression could never be realized for a few important reasons.

'Military State' as in military-controlled is of course by definition the opposite of 'Liberal'.
We can have a liberal government with a strong and respected military (US in the 1960s-1970s?).
I think the confusion comes from the left in the US today, which is often referred to as 'liberal' but is not. The left in the US is a new kind of political entity, which might be defines as 'progressive statist', key word being statist. The left in the USA today wants total control over government and our lives; what we eat, what's on tv, what internet is available, what health care we get, etc. They aren't socialist in that they don't want (government) to run businesses; they instead will control indirectly through taxation and regulation.
One can say that today's progressives are fascists without the military / uniforms.

North Korea and others are just dictatorships. Talk of communist / militarist etc are mostly irrelevant labels. Jiggy above has a point; 'communist' states, whether the USSR or Cuba or whatever, have never truly been communist, they have been dictatorships with a socialist economy and a bunch of rhetoric.

a reply to: works4dhs

One can say that today's progressives are fascists without the military / uniforms.

Only if one is completely ignorant and unable/unwilling to read or learn or listen or THINK.

GoDDAMMIT I'm tired of this misrepresentation of what Progressives stand for!!!!!

a reply to: works4dhs

Ahh.

A likely story to keep the real agendas hidden and sidetracked.

Plausible Deniability is often times anonymous.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: works4dhs

One can say that today's progressives are fascists without the military / uniforms.

Only if one is completely ignorant and unable/unwilling to read or learn or listen or THINK.

GoDDAMMIT I'm tired of this misrepresentation of what Progressives stand for!!!!!

depends on who defines it. My definition of Progressivism (in the US today) is a bunch of ivy-league educated elites wanting to control the government and by extension controlling us. What we eat, how we travel, internet access, health care, etc etc. Much of this is done quite 'for our own good', which reflects the elitism; the average US citizen is too stupid to know what's best for them so we enlightened ones will run their lives for them.
What have they done in the last few years? Restricted drilling for oil and fracking. Why? high fuel prices limit our mobility and supposedly help the environment /global warming (try disputing global warming and watch a progressive implode). Took the world's best health care system and put it (or at least the financial part) under the government thumb. A layer of bureaucracy is added and most people are paying a LOT more, so a few people can have subsidized health care. Why? Government control, as well as vote buying.
Conservatives and Republicans are practically shut out of college speaking opportunities.
you may disagree but your accusation that I am ignorant and/or unwilling to think is uncalled for.

originally posted by: works4dhs
One can say that today's progressives are fascists without the military / uniforms.

Can you provide some specific examples of individuals or organizations that you're referring to as well as an example of their actions/policies/publications that cause you to make this statement about them?

Thank you very kindly.