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originally posted by: Ultralight
a reply to: Rocker2013
Obama took the Patriot Act to all new higher level of decimation of our constitutional rights
originally posted by: Ultralight
Obama has gone over and above his redefining the word "war". I am waiting for the day he announces we have a "scuffle" or a "preliminary skirmish" ongoing with ISIS or one of it's bedmates.
I don't dispute his opinion, of course. I do disagree to an extent, and I have not asked for sources on anything, merely engaging in a discussion regarding sources when the topic was breached. My apologies if I was misconstrued.
originally posted by: Bilk22
Where did the OP state it as fact, well other than Obama has issued ECs that can be challenged by the law for their constitutionality? Even the article is opinion. Shall we assume you disagree? Haven't read all the responses to the OP, so did you take a position?
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: Bilk22
An opinion is fine. An opinion is a personal take on a subject. We all have opinions. Just don't express said opinion as fact and expect not to be questioned on it.
You make some excellent points, and I will concede to most of them. I have lived abroad for the last 6 years or so, so I don't know what it's really like in the U.S. right now aside from occasional conversations with my parents. You certainly have the edge when it comes to first hand experience and I'll grant you that.
originally posted by: johnwick
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: johnwick
I agree that there needs to be tougher immigration laws, and stricter border enforcement. Unchecked immigration is what lead to the situation we see in Sweden/France/etc. I completely agree with you on this. But America is a country known for not turning away those already inside her borders.
Yes, secure the borders. Personally, I like to see ALL immigration stopped, unless the immigrant has at minimum a four year college education. Japan has that policy, and it has worked wonders to ensure that the immigrants who DO come here to Japan are skilled, and can find GOOD work, and contribute the economy.
But those that are already inside, give them a little breathing room. Give them avenues to legal status so they too can contribute. America isn't heartless.
I would agree if that would be the last wave.
Let's see a wave in the 70s, they amnesty, a wave in the 80s they got amnesty a wave in the 90s they got amnesty, since the early 90s tens of millions, there are more Latinos than blacks here now, we have taken in morevthan enough, every single time this is going to be the last time and they will finally enforce the border.
[Remainder Snipped By Railgun for Brevity]
Yes it is a place a lot of people would like to be, no matter what they may say to the contrary or how much they may bad-mouth the US at times. However there are thousands waiting patiently on lists to do so legally. Why should we treat one group differently? I think the question begging for an answer is, who does that serve?
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
You make some excellent points, and I will concede to most of them. I have lived abroad for the last 6 years or so, so I don't know what it's really like in the U.S. right now aside from occasional conversations with my parents. You certainly have the edge when it comes to first hand experience and I'll grant you that.
originally posted by: johnwick
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: johnwick
I agree that there needs to be tougher immigration laws, and stricter border enforcement. Unchecked immigration is what lead to the situation we see in Sweden/France/etc. I completely agree with you on this. But America is a country known for not turning away those already inside her borders.
Yes, secure the borders. Personally, I like to see ALL immigration stopped, unless the immigrant has at minimum a four year college education. Japan has that policy, and it has worked wonders to ensure that the immigrants who DO come here to Japan are skilled, and can find GOOD work, and contribute the economy.
But those that are already inside, give them a little breathing room. Give them avenues to legal status so they too can contribute. America isn't heartless.
I would agree if that would be the last wave.
Let's see a wave in the 70s, they amnesty, a wave in the 80s they got amnesty a wave in the 90s they got amnesty, since the early 90s tens of millions, there are more Latinos than blacks here now, we have taken in morevthan enough, every single time this is going to be the last time and they will finally enforce the border.
[Remainder Snipped By Railgun for Brevity]
I suppose I'm a bit of a bleeding heart (though not a bleeding heart liberal. Yuck). I know America for many is the land of opportunity and to see people who go there that just wanted a shot at a better life get sent back home is kind of heartbreaking for me. Even if they did it illegally, though my sympathy is dented, it's still there. So I'm torn on the issue.
Now now, there are rules about posting, no matter what language it's in. You don't want to get in Dutch do you?
originally posted by: Ultralight
a reply to: Bilk22
Pog Mo Hoin...
Look THAT up!
originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: Ultralight
I am pretty sure this is not the right forum for this. You might want to ask a mod to move it. But I like the thread OP......Good one.
originally posted by: Bilk22
You have to love people who deride a source because it doesn't jive with their perspective. People like this used to burn books. No doubt we'll see that happening again one day soon.