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So what is it you're seeing when you think of one? If it isn't an actual physical brick wall that exists in the real world that you can feel and touch then what is it? Where is it? It's not in your brain, I can't cut open your brain and find that brick wall inside of it, so where is it? What is this "mimic" you speak of? A copy? What is that copy exactly? It's not the actual physical brick wall so what is it?
I don't think you can answer these questions because you can't comprehend that they're not the body or physical in any way.
originally posted by: Aphorism
"Does a heart exist? What is the element that allows a heart to exist?" - me
A heart does beat when it is with he rest of the body. It doesn't when it is not. We can not only feel the heart beat, but we can watch it do so through intrusive means.
Hands do not grasp when removed from the body; eyes do not see when removed from the body; legs do not run when removed from the body. If you were not born with these parts, the notions of grasp, running and seeing would be foreign to you.
Thinking takes place throughout the whole body. There isn't "only the brain" invloved in thinking. I'm not here saying the nervous system isn't coninuously involved and contributing to thought, be every other system is also. This is why I ask you to remove a system from the body, and prove you have not brought the mind with it.
Every system of the body is required to produce one single thought.
I dont believe the body exists. I only believe DNA exists. A sperm and egg come together to create a novel expression of DNA, the heart does not exist, what you call 'the heart' is really only a sequence of proteins in the code of DNA.
We can not only feel the heart beat... what is feeling the heart beat? The heart is the body, the heart beat is the body, the body feels the heart beat? How does the body feel the body? Does the heart feel itself?
Before hands are removed, hands are the body. The body is hands. When the hands are removed, the body is still body. The body can still do many things it could do without hands. When the brain is removed, the body is still the body, but the body cannot do the same things it could do as it can with the brain. There must be an aspect in and of the brain which allows the body to do what it can do with the brain. There must be an aspect of the heart which allows the body to do what it does with the heart, that it cannot do without the heart. The body is a system of parts, like a car, like a civilization. Certain parts are more necessary for the continuation of he existence of the system than others. The parts do things. The part that is the heart does not have fingers that can grasp. The parts that are fingers are separate from the heart. Yes they are part of the same system, as the architect and the construction worker and the burger maker and the car maker and the mathematician and the cia are part of the same system, yes if you remove some of these parts from existence the functioning of the system will be altered. Yes the parts of the system produce different quantitative and qualitative functions. Yes the body is still capable of thinking without a foot. No the body is not still capable of thinking without the brain. Yes the continued reduction of that process leads us to believe that something about the brain is fundamentally different than the foot. Yes we do see, yes we are capable of producing thought. Yes we determine since we can see and produce thought without a foot, that the foot is not entirely responsible as a part in the system for seeing and producing thought. Yes, the word mind seemingly was invented and/or used to refer to the quality of being in which we are all familiar with the aspect within ourselves in which we see and produce thoughts.
Do the 'you' that I am speaking to have control over a thought that is produced? When you produce a thought that you can call your own, (I suppose that doesnt include things that would help your point; like; your stomach rumbling producing the thought of "i want to get food"), you believe it is the totality of your system producing the thought, there is no 'thought producer' in the brain, that experiences data, stores memories, sees dreams, utilizes imagination, invents artistic expressions, sees detailed memories 3d and in color? That everything you have ever seen, cannot be said to be produced by a 'you', but can only be said to be the 'natural' productions of your systems obeying the laws of physics. There is no 'you' which has control over your body, there is only an inclosed microcosm of environment, there is no free will, or will, there is no you, there is only one nature, and you have no control, you cannot choose anything, you are only nature obeying its laws, there is absolute hard determinism and fate.
originally posted by: Aphorism
As a body, I am in complete control of everything – my heart beat, my emotions, my immune system, my breathing, my thoughts – except for the most part I do not need to think about regulating them.
Quite clearly, this is my assertion, which is found in the very first paragraph:
“The mind (another word for soul, psyche, ego, consciousness etc.) as a concept is a hurdle to further human understanding. It confuses more than it enlightens. It has zero explanatory power. It is without scope. It cannot be empirically validated. On top of that, it is dangerous to believe in, for it risks giving primacy to a fiction rather than the reality it is meant to explain, leading one to solipsism. ”