Teacher hangs herself in classroom before students arrive; had lectured students in past on suicide

I have to join the consensus here... there's a very stark disconnect of emotions here. The fact that the teacher intentionally did this at the school, in her classroom, knowing kids would find her leads me to be thankful it end there. Philosophically speaking, emotional pain is still pain and intending to inflict either is on a similar footing. They very well may be lucky this teacher didn't decide to inflict physical pain and take some students out with her along the way.

Also....

Do not confuse my posting on this thread as an attempt to sway anyone's opinions.

It is not.


I am merely throwing out there how I see things. Perhaps some already see it the way I do. Perhaps you don't.

If the latter is the case, maybe seeing it from a slightly different angle will give you food for thought.

Well, that's going to make any depressed students worse off-such as the ones she lectured on suicide. What was she thinking... waiting on more information to be provided if even. Pretty sad for all involved, regards.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: TDawg61

Ya this gets me too.
Those poor kids that had to walk in and see this and have to be part of the whole event.

Yes, this is a classic case of a self involved person who lacks empathy.

That said, bad as this is, there are teachers who are terrorized by the teacher's unions to the point of psychosis if they attempt to report any abuse on their fellow teachers.

The good teachers are driven out on a rail. I am not making this up, it really is that bad.

Worse than the police problem so, I recommend dissolving the legal support for unions using violence and the bureaucratic apparatus that defends the violators instead of the victims.

I really hope that this is not going to become a common occurrence.

Also, many people are on these SSRIs so that should be immediately investigated.

a reply to: threeeyesopen

I just really have a hard time with the "selfish" descriptor here. Not from the person I am responding to, but rather in an effort to bring it to light in the conversation as a whole.

The idea that you can take as much as I can is hogwash. Whether it is dealing with papercuts, waterboarding, or a never ending onslaught of emotional pain.


We only know when we've had enough, when we've had enough.

a reply to: greencmp

IDK about all of that, I would agree it is hard to follow up and terminate if needed on the reports if say the teacher has tenure but I have never heard of teachers being intimidated to not report.
If anything, the opposite to try and get that tenured teacher gone if that need was really there.

Sad on many levels. Wish it didn't happen. No idea why she'd put the students through that. She must have been aware they'd be there.

a reply to: nullafides

Well I knew when I had enough..basically I lost everything imaginable that could be taken, but still had to force myself to get up every day, put on a fake smile.

Let me tell you and the rest here that I wasn't born with thick skin, I was always a sensitive kid and as such took a lot of things personally.

Life has taught me to be strong and independent because the society we live in doesn't give a # about me or you.

As such I eventually made it through my own psychosis and here I am today, stronger and more cynical than ever before..or maybe jaded ?

a reply to: Sremmos80

Yeah, it is a pervasive problem that I have heard personally from people very close to me.

If you do a little searching on it, you will find some.

It is a stretch for me to bring that up here knowing nothing but, it is a possibility that would explain the location chosen.

They should search for a note off-site.

a reply to: threeeyesopen
Why do people do nasty things? Why do people murder? Why do people steal from others? Why do people lie? Why do people kill themselves, especially kill themselves so that their students will be there to see it?

Note: You don't call murderers selfish. You call em evil.

But you might call a thief selfish, or a liar.

a reply to: nullafides

Caring about where this woman was coming from wouldn't stop me from being angry if it was my children that were traumatized by this.

I'm glad that there are people that can bring attention to views I perhaps refused to see. In the end, I think we will still focus on those left living and not the deceased.

a reply to: jonnywhite

Personally I'd call a murderer or a thief selfish, they both are doing it for their own gain in the end. Also I'm not innocent either, and when I did things it was purely out of selfishnes.

I can't emphasize enough about how much I'm speaking from my own life.

originally posted by: TDawg61

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: TDawg61

I am speculating here, but seems they were there early if it was just 2 kids that saw this/were let it.

Either there early by no choice of their own, which is possible, or they enjoyed extra time with the teacher.
If it is the ladder, I really feel for these kids.

Who could know but I never showed up early for class willingly.Have you?

If it was a teacher I enjoyed and I felt "friends" with, yes, I showed up early numerous times.

originally posted by: TDawg61

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: TDawg61

I am speculating here, but seems they were there early if it was just 2 kids that saw this/were let it.

Either there early by no choice of their own, which is possible, or they enjoyed extra time with the teacher.
If it is the ladder, I really feel for these kids.

Who could know but I never showed up early for class willingly.Have you?

& now you have a great reason to tell people why they should never get to class early.

a reply to: Eunuchorn

Too soon.

So a person felt enough pain that they took their own life and the big subject here is how horrible a person she must have been for dying where she did.


Sorry, I can't bring myself to get on this bandwagon.

a reply to: threeeyesopen

Most likely you are describing the idea of what it took for your somewhat thin skin to toughen up a bit.


I deal with depression, anxiety, and yes, suicidal thoughts...on a daily basis.

Some days are easier than others. Sometimes, FAR easier...or FAR worse. I'm sure you can relate.


I have my own reasons for sticking things out. But, not a one of you know what my capacity to cope is. Push a quarter inch, sure. I can most likely deal with it. Push an inch? I don't even know that I know the outcome.


I also see much of this as a religious based bias against suicide. I cannot help but feel that this is ultimately born of the fear of the unknown. Many, many of us are scared beyond belief about what is next. I cannot help but think this leads into the idea that if one does decide to end things, it simply brings the thought to mind in others, and scares them further.

In my opinion, it is the likely fear driven thought that such an act is selfish that is the truly sad thing. The idea that what you did scares me so much I am going to condemn you because you made me think about it.


Sorry folks, I just don't see it that way. And no, I'm not really about to debate any of this either. Please don't bother. Our own feelings and emotions are just that, our own.

originally posted by: TDawg61
31 years old .Obviously something was tormenting this young lady to take her life.And it doesn't sound like she was unhappy with her job judging by her popularity with her students.I wonder about marriage problems causing her drastic action.

Her father had committed suicide, so it's possible it might have been around the anniversary of that time, as well as marital problems.

originally posted by: eisegesis
a reply to: Anyafaj

A student witness told the LA Times about screams emanating from the classroom when the tragic discovery was made.

This is why the media sucks. Emotions = Ratings.

I just hope none of her students decide to copycat her actions and attempt suicide themselves because of what they witnessed.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Pull up wagon and tag along for the ride, I assure you your opinion is still appreciated.