An Israeli Insult

a reply to: nwtrucker

Why would they sign a negotiation agreement when the negotiations aren't scheduled to end till June? That would be some stupid negotiation tactics.

Seriously, I don't understand your thought process. It really is a stretch to logic.

AAC.

originally posted by: xuenchen
There's no nuclear power plants in Israel.

But there's nuclear weapons. Your point?

AAC

originally posted by: AnAbsoluteCreation

originally posted by: xuenchen
There's no nuclear power plants in Israel.

But there's nuclear weapons. Your point?

AAC

There is?

a reply to: xuenchen

Seriously... Yes there is nukes, I am pretty sure you are aware of it as well.

Or do you just enjoy playing the dumb card?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: xuenchen

Seriously... Yes there is nukes, I am pretty sure you are aware of it as well.

Or do you just enjoy playing the dumb card?

Of course he's playing dumb. Now I'm convinced he's one of the paid trolls that make a dishonest living on the Internet fighting anti-Israeli truths.

I hope you sleep well at night knowing you're pa-the-tic.

AAC

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: ~Lucidity


Regarding Iran and nukes...It is our fight, so to speak. We planted that flag long ago. Are you also of the mind that it is fine and dandy that North Korea has nukes?

Well they have had them for almost a decade now, havnt seen anything damning come of it. I do believe though, there may be enough animosity there that they would hit Seoul if provoked accordingly. I imagine they would only do that if boots end up on their side of the border.

The danger of an Iran, or even a North Korea, possessing nuclear arms doesn't necessarily lie with whatever leader the country has at the present time (despotic or otherwise.) The real danger is seen in the potential for an ISIS or a "Supreme Religious Leader" seizing power and suddenly having the recipe for a perfect storm, a martyr complex alongside an edict to destroy the infidels. This was one of the arguments regarding Saddam which didn't ring very solid... Saddam was a worldly SOB, very much in love with himself and all of life's pleasures. No way in hell did the man have any intention or desire to strike up a zero sum war with a more powerful enemy that would ultimately lead to his death... the trouble, however, was that he knew if he showed even a tiny bit of weakness or showed his hand free of WMDs, the neighboring despots would be on him like wolves on a half dead lamb.

I don't believe the current Iranian leadership (including Khamenei) would launch nukes against anyone. Khomeini, however, would have been an equal odds bet to have used them. Khamenei, presently, is said to be dying from prostate cancer. If somebody like Ayatollah Yazdi takes the Supreme Leader position, then the region will likely be driven back into the early 80s of state sponsored terror and hardline human rights violations, in which case Iran possessing nuclear weapons would be very bad news.

originally posted by: sueloujo
a reply to: Harte

It depends on what you think is starving? How anyone can dispute the children (and general population) of gaza are malnourished and dying as a result is beyond me.

www.theguardian.com...

imeu.org...

Hamas itself disputed it in the quote I provided.

This raises the question - If you won't believe Hamas on this, who would you believe?

Harte

originally posted by: SheopleNation

originally posted by: Sremmos80 And it isn't only the US Intel there buddy, it is also the IAEA and mossad.
So throw out the us for all I care and you still have two others to go with

I don't think that you appreciate my position clearly Sremmos. My focus is on all of the sources of this so called intel, cause none of them can prove exactly what the hell is going on inside of Iran. They claim that they know, on both sides, but I think the majority of the sources are clouded, and full of crap bro.

Actually, the only claim is that they don't really know.

Harte

a reply to: Harte

In any other situation ..you would probably say "Who would believe Hamas?" And yet you are trying to say it's indisputable because Hamas stated it because it fits an agenda. Well, Hamas has agendas too.

For children, hunger is beginning to bite. More than one in three babies is anaemic, while nearly one in ten is malnourished, according to a survey sponsored by the Danish government. For their older siblings it is increasingly hard to find a place in school as none have been built since the blockade began.
For their parents, life is equally tough.The average income of adults has fallen by a third over the same period, says Mr Shaban, while UNRWA estimates that 80 per cent of all Gazans rely on it for food aid.



www.telegraph.co.uk...

originally posted by: sueloujo
a reply to: Harte

In any other situation ..you would probably say "Who would believe Hamas?" And yet you are trying to say it's indisputable because Hamas stated it because it fits an agenda. Well, Hamas has agendas too.

Do you actually believe it would not be to Hamas' benefit if they claimed Israeli's were starving their children?

originally posted by: sueloujoFor children, hunger is beginning to bite. More than one in three babies is anaemic, while nearly one in ten is malnourished, according to a survey sponsored by the Danish government. For their older siblings it is increasingly hard to find a place in school as none have been built since the blockade began.

How many were anemic and/or malnourished before the blockade?

Also, it seems the Gazans care more about using what they have to build dozens of concrete tunnels into Israel than using it to build schools.

Harte

a reply to: Harte

Hamas are bravado..what else have they got? You didn't hurt us irael!

Incredible that a person actually has to ask how many children had anaemia before a blockade. Do you know how long the blockades have existed? The fact that children are malnourished means they are going without food. Plain and simple this is unacceptable.

Same old same old rhetoric..about them not building houses but tunnels. They are not letting any building materials in..so that makes sense eh?

It is evident to a growing number of people what Israel's agenda is and they are not pulling the wool over as many eyes as they would like.

originally posted by: sueloujo
a reply to: Harte

Hamas are bravado..what else have they got? You didn't hurt us irael!

Incredible that a person actually has to ask how many children had anaemia before a blockade.

Are you saying that this data doesn't matter?

I mean, you can't even say that anemia and malnourishment hasn't declined rather than increased unless you know the answer to my question, yet you want to pretend it doesn't matter?

originally posted by: sueloujoDo you know how long the blockades have existed?

Yes. Do you? Are you aware of the terms of the current blockade, in force for several years now?

originally posted by: sueloujo The fact that children are malnourished means they are going without food. Plain and simple this is unacceptable.

Yes, unacceptable. However, the blockade doesn't affect any food shipments.

This should lead you to wonder exactly why the Palestinians destroyed all the commercial greenhouses the Israelis left there when they gave Gaza to them.

originally posted by: sueloujoSame old same old rhetoric..about them not building houses but tunnels. They are not letting any building materials in..so that makes sense eh?

Same old rhetoric - Israel is not letting any building materials in.

Ongoing construction projects in Gaza:
link1

link2

Regarding the blockade:

List No. 2: Construction Items and Materials to be Allowed Entry into Gaza only for PA-authorized Projects Implemented by the International Community

Israel will only permit their entry into Gaza to facilitate construction projects in Gaza which have been authorized by the PA and implemented and monitored by the international community. The often cited reason is that such materials could be used by Hamas for military purposes (building bunkers, fortifying positions and digging tunnels)

This list includes:

Portland cement and lime (in bulk, bags or barrels)
Natural and Quarry aggregates and all varieties of gravel
Ready concrete
Precast concrete elements and products
Steel elements and/or construction products
Iron for foundations and columns, at any diameter (including wielded steel nets)
Steel cables of any width
Forms for construction elements (plastics or galvanized iron)
Industrialized forms for casting concrete
Plastic or composite beams more than 4 mm thick
Thermal isolation materials and products
Blocs (at any width) - Concrete; Silicate; Ytong or its equivalent; or gypsum
Materials and products for sealing structures
Asphalt and its components (Bitumen, emulsion) in aggregate or packaged
Steel elements or framing products for construction
Cast concrete elements and products for drainage over 1 m in diameter
Precast units and sea-borne containers
Vehicles, excluding private cars and including 4X4 vehicles and other categories of motor vehicles liable to be used in terror activities
Lumber beams and boards more than 2 cm thick, (liable to be used in "offensive" tunneling aimed at penetrating Israeli territory), unless incorporated in finished products
Specific procedures, on a case by case basis, will be established so as to permit the transfer of such lumber for other purposes in Gaza.

linkThe Palestinian Authority need only authorize these materials and show (and prove the use of) what they are for.
The above restrictions had been relaxed even further since they went into effect in 2010. Since then, continuous attacks on Israeli civilian populations (babies being blown to bits rather than becoming malnourished) may have resulted in some tightening, I don't know.


Harte

Netanyahu Speaks, Money Talks

Everything you need to know about Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s address to Congress Tuesday was the presence in the visitor’s gallery of one man – Sheldon Adelson.

The gambling tycoon is the Godfather of the Republican Right. The party’s presidential hopefuls line up to kiss his assets, scraping and bowing for his blessing, which when granted is bestowed with his signed checks. Data from both the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics and the Center for Public Integrity show that in the 2012 election cycle, Adelson and his wife Miriam (whose purse achieved metaphoric glory Tuesday when it fell from the gallery and hit a Democratic congressman) contributed $150 million to the GOP and its friends, including $93 million to such plutocracy-friendly super PACs as Karl Rove’s American Crossroads, the Congressional Leadership Fund, the Republican Jewish Coalition Victory Fund, Winning Our Future (the pro-Newt Gingrich super PAC) and Restore Our Future (the pro-Mitt Romney super PAC).

Mmmhmm. Guess my suggestion below isn't that far off the mark. This should all be illegal.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: Metallicus

Yeah the alleged leaders are all bought and paid for.

I propose that the rich bitches funding this corrupt government just bypass our government, give their billions directly to Israel and China and their ilk instead of to "campaign" funds, and leave us all out of this already.

Cut out the middle man and we'll get to keep more of our tax money here too...at home.

A Petition Has Been Launched To Prosecute and Expel John Boehner From Congress

The petition accurately claims that by “directly commencing and carrying on correspondence with an officer of a foreign government (Netanyahu) with intent to influence or defeat the measures of the United States,” Boehner broke a federal law. It also is correct that Boehner attempted to deal in foreign policy to usurp the powers of the presidency of the United States thus violating the “separation of powers” in the U.S. Constitution. But the only prosecutable crime is “corresponding with an agent of a foreign government with the intent to influence or defeat the measures of the United States” according to the Logan Act. The petition is to be “to be delivered to The United States House of Representatives, The United States Senate, and President Barack Obama.”

As promised...

a reply to: Harte

Finished debating with anyone who gives links from 2011. We are talking about today..israel continues bulldozing Palestinian homes and building illegal settlements for themselves. Most people are educated enough these days to see what is happening.

Israel wants to rid Gaza to get to the offshore oil so they are slowly draining the people dry. Funny that a deal was going ahead with Gazprom just before the recent war.

www.theecologist.org...

originally posted by: Harte
Actually, the only claim is that they don't really know.

Harte

Can you be a little more specific? ~$heopleNation

a reply to: Bearack

And Benny has been the only one to actually do anything about their capabilities... Remember those Scientist that went poof and that production facility that went poof.

Yes and they are guilty of committing murder. So do you support the terrorist acts of Israel? Because that is terrorism plain and simple.

Honestly, if you do not think things have happened to prevent Iran's ability to produce weapons grade uranium, then you are surely living under a rock!

You overlook that fact that they aren't trying to build a bomb. Even the Mossad says they aren't trying to build one.

I think that Mossad "report" is a psy-ops.

They want Iran in a "comfort zone".