600 American troops arrive in Slovakia!

originally posted by: Necrose
a reply to: stumason

What you are saying is based upon the dogma that Russia is going to attack the EU, or just basically upon the fact that Russia is a sort of threat.

After everything that has happened and considering us as fairly open-minded informed ATS users, we can safely assume that it's a blatant lie.

On the contrary, Russia's behaviour over the last 7 years (since Georgia) has been one that is belligerent towards it's neighbours and that they act in a manner which Moscow agree's with, regardless of how they want to run their own countries.

It is therefore not much of a leap of logic to assume that Russia is a threat to peace and stability, so no, it is not a "blatant lie". In fact, Europe has been quite keen to ignore the growing Russia problem for quite some time and is only now waking up to the genuine threat posed, hence the drops in defence spending well below the NATO minimum of 2% GDP seen in every NATO member bar the UK and USA over the past two decades.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Ah, I dont see a point in arguing any longer.

Maybe, what I was trying to say ...was that Putin and Merkel and Obama and Cameron and all those bloody puppets are basically, friends.
we can witness the global fascist state and the NWO unfolding right in front of us, though we "we ain't see nuffink" ((as lads say in South London )) because we are distracted by fabricated conflicts.

you see they easily created 2 sides with Putin the bad one for the west and NATO the bad one for Russians ...
But the same thing is happening on both sides, not to mention the involvement of the UAE here, oil prices, gas prices, export, import, taxes, arms industry, new laws, possible Marshall laws.....etc

I mean, the whole fabricated conflict here has massive ramifications all over the place and in many, many areas of business.

For me this is leading up to an Orwellian-kind of state. And the army needs to be present in case of riots. When Marshall law takes effect all hell breaks loose, we know that right?

UPDATE
A friend of mine filled me in.
I was told that Americans living in Slovakia were informed today by the American Embassy in Bratislava that the protests are imminent and that they should avoid seeking certain places.
(The lists of frequent locations for protests and riots were enclosed in the document )
They were advised to either stay safe and/or come to the US immediately.

^^^^
Can't confirm any of this at the moment though.

a reply to: Necrose

What's "Marshall Law"? Isn't that some old comic book character?

Anyhoo, I am not a subscriber to the whole "NWO" crap anyway. If there was any truth to this apparent global conspiracy, it would have been done a long time ago, especially as the UK is often portrayed as being at the centre. If it was true, then surely it would have been far easier to implement when the UK ran 1/4 of the globe?

Also, it seems highly unlikely that any group of people which spanned different cultures, countries and religions could all share the same goals over a protracted length of time. These "theories" have been around for longer than the internet, but instead of seeing any "global Government", NWO or whatever take over, all we have seen is the continued fragmentation of the human race - there is no plan to take over the world.

a reply to: Necrose

Well, don't you just know how to blow everything out of context? It's also easily verifiable and several weeks out of date:

U.S. Embassy Bratislava informs U.S. citizens that on Saturday, February 8, 2014, beginning at 11 a.m., a demonstration is scheduled to take place in Bratislava. The demonstration is organized to protest against the Ukrainian government. It would start in front of the main entrance to Bratislava Castle, off Zamocka Street, then continue by car to the Ukrainian Embassy at Radvanska Street #35, then return to the Castle and continue on foot by the European Committee on Palisady, the Presidential Palace on Hozdovo Square, and finally conclude at Hviezdoslavovo Square near the U.S. Embassy about 3 p.m. The permit lists 45 participants and police expect the demonstration to be peaceful. Traffic may occasionally be blocked.

Link

Wooah - 45 people! Better alert the US Army and have them implement Martial Law in a Sovereign EU state!

a reply to: stumason

Not to mention the protests have been planned for March 1st for some time now.

a reply to: intrptr

Russians aren't training in Slovakia, US troops are. Big difference.

And why is that a problem...The US is a NATO country just as Slovakia is, so why wouldn't a NATO country send troops to another NATO country to train?

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

And why is that a problem…

Because the US troops aren't there defending the US and thats the whole point.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

And why is that a problem…

Because the US troops aren't there defending the US and thats the whole point.

Training with allies is in the interest of the US and her allies. Sovereign nations can run their internal affairs as they see fit, which would include military cooperation / alliances and joint training.

If Russia does not like it tough. They hold maneuvers on the border of Ukraine and told the world to mind their own business, noting they will do training anywhere they wish within Russia. Russia and China hold military training exercises so using your logic they should not be able to do so.

Its right up there with Russian supplying lethal military equipment / supplies to the pro Russian rebels while bitching and complaining about the Baltic states supplying the same to the Ukraine government.

Russia has a credibility problem.

originally posted by: stumason

originally posted by: Necrose
a reply to: stumason

What you are saying is based upon the dogma that Russia is going to attack the EU, or just basically upon the fact that Russia is a sort of threat.

After everything that has happened and considering us as fairly open-minded informed ATS users, we can safely assume that it's a blatant lie.

On the contrary, Russia's behaviour over the last 7 years (since Georgia) has been one that is belligerent towards it's neighbours and that they act in a manner which Moscow agree's with, regardless of how they want to run their own countries.

In a nutshell, Putin is really bad at imperialism. With Europe, U.S. was and is much more successful.

You need five times the encouragement, friendship and bribery for each threat.

That sort of alliance seems looser and more noisy at first, but when threatened seriously it is very strong. Same principle applies to real democracies---they seem chaotic and slow and weak from the surface, but deeply they are iron strong. Take U.K. during the blitz.

Putin, the KGB man, doesn't get it. Russia could have joined Europe, at long last in 1991, at a real deep level, and over time be the eastern anchor.

a reply to: Xcathdra

"US Interests" aren't the same as "American people Interests", thats the lie they use to make the people think they are somehow involved, waaay over there.

Russia and China train within their own borders, how does that compare to US troops occupying foreign soil?

They also defend their borders, NATO (EU and US) on the other hand, are threatening theirs.

originally posted by: intrptr


"US Interests" aren't the same as "American people Interests", thats the lie they use to make the people think they are somehow involved, waaay over there.

Yeah its not a lie.

originally posted by: intrptr
Russia and China train within their own borders, how does that compare to US troops occupying foreign soil?

US troops are not occupying foreign soil and your attempt to paint that picture is sad. They are there by treaty and leave when the training is done or unless an agreement is made to base troops. Just like the foreign troops who are stationed in the US for joint training.

Secondly you need to learn a bit more about world events before making false claims -
2014 - China and Russia conduct military drills together in Northern China

The simulated attack - called 'peace mission-2014' - by Russia, China and Asian neighbours on a 'separatist organisation' is underway at the Zhurihe military base in north China.

China, Russia and several of their central Asian neighbours have conducted live military drills in Northern China.

Footage shows military aircrafts and tanks firing at simulated targets in mountainous areas near a training base in the Inner Mongolia region. State media reported that the joint exercise named 'peace mission-2014' runs until 29 August and the aim of it is to counter terrorism, separatism and extremism.

The drill involves drones, air defence missiles, tanks and armoured vehicles to simulate a strike against a separatist organisation that is attempting to split the country.

* - Peace Mission 2013 Russian-Chinese Anti-Terror Exercise

* - Russia and China pull together to counter US Asia drive

So yes, they have trained on each others soil. For a person who likes to defend Russia and China you seem out of touch on what the 2 countries are doing. Maybe before condemning the US and its actions while maintaining an untruth about Russia and China you should do some research first.

originally posted by: intrptr
They also defend their borders, NATO (EU and US) on the other hand, are threatening theirs.

Another blatant lie. NATO had no presence in nations bordering Russia until Russia invaded Ukraine. After that invasion and after Putin threatened Baltic nations did NATO deploy NATO forces. The ONLY exception were the Baltic nations where NATO forces fulfilled air patrols considering those nations don't have an air force.

Russia currently threatens Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Finland, Belarus, Georgia and Moldova.
Russia threatened Ukraine's borders and invaded them.
Russia threatened Georgia's borders and invaded them.
Russia currently occupies Crimea.
Russia currently occupies East/South Ukraine.
Russia currently occupies Abkhazia.
Russia currently occupies South Ossetia.
Russia currently occupies Transnistria.

Maybe do some research so you can make accurate and truthful counter arguments instead of the same standard lies backed up by ignorance.

a reply to: Xcathdra
"NATO had no presence in nations bordering Russia until Russia invaded Ukraine"

WRONG
www.globalresearch.ca...
www.reuters.com...
rt.com...
www.stripes.com...
time.com...
The USA is still occupying Afghanistan after 14 years
www.globalresearch.ca...
Japan post -war USA occupation since 1945.
www.japantimes.co.jp...
Still in Iraq,how many years has it been?
www.washingtonpost.com... -8385-866293322c2f_story.html
shall i go on?

a reply to: all2human

Admittedly, it is a misnomer to claim that "NATO had no presence in countries bordering Russia", because as NATO members border Russia it is therefore a forgone conclusion that "NATO forces" are stationed there, as those countries own forces constitute NATO.

However, everyone of your articles is dated April 2014 or later - one month after the Russian annexation of Crimea which happened on 21st March 2014.

a reply to: Xcathdra

According to you, occupied nations like to be occupied… such good little colonies, aren't they. Big targets painted on their backs now (I mean on the US bases inside their borders). You may think that prevents war, occupied peoples (not their governments) have a different slant on that…

Russia currently occupies East/South Ukraine.

mmm, hmm. Is this CNN?

Maybe do some research so you can make accurate and truthful counter arguments instead of the same standard lies backed up by ignorance.

I would just suggest stop making false accusations. NATO is encroaching on Russia's borders not the other way around.

Not the other way 'round.

Accusing me of lying doesn't change this basic fact.

a reply to: intrptr

NATO is not "encroaching" anywhere. Every sovereign and independent nation has the right to choose it's own path - if that means they wish to join NATO, then that is their business and not anyone else's.

And what "US bases" would these be? There isn't a single "US base" in any Baltic country or any nation bordering Russia. The closest are some small bases in Bulgaria.

a reply to: stumason

irrelavant, only seeks to redirect
care to expound?

originally posted by: all2human
a reply to: stumason

irrelavant, only seeks to redirect
care to expound?

I don't need to "expound" - it's there for everyone to see. Check the dates on all your articles, the earliest is April 2014. The annexation took place on the 21st March 2014 - that is a matter of record.

As for "NATO forces", it seems some here think that when a country joins NATO, there is some supra-national force of soldiers that swoops in. Just like the UN, it's "forces" are made up of the member countries. In some cases, there may be members of other nations there for training purposes, but these are usually small, temporary deployments which soon go home.

The only "NATO forces" that are permanently stationed on the borders of Russia are those very same militaries that have always been there - namely that of the nation which borders Russia. The only difference being that if that nation is attacked, it can call upon the Alliance to help defend itself. NATO is not an offensive organisation - Nations can only invoke Article 5 if they are attacked.

a reply to: stumason

Another 'not an offensive organization' member
yawn
Then explain or 'expound' on why you would consider operations like Libya,yugoslavia or pakistan defensive in nature.
heck while your at it please explain why NATO is in UKraine.

a reply to: all2human

Gladly - both Libya and Yugoslavia were not exactly NATO operations - they used NATO's command and control infrastructure to co-ordinate military activities (as is logical) but not all members of the Alliance participated in the operations and both were under the auspices of UNSC mandates which gave those nations taking part explicit authority to do so.

As for Pakistan, no idea what you're chomping about there, unless you're referring to the Salala incident, which appears to have been a case of mistaken identity..