Ukraine army to be trained by UK troops - Cameron

British military personnel are to be sent to Ukraine in the next few weeks to provide advice and training, says Prime Minister David Cameron.
As he spoke, pro-Russian rebels said they were pulling back heavy weapons from the front line in eastern Ukraine as part of a ceasefire.
However, the government in Kiev has disputed the rebel claims.
Mr Cameron said he would push for more sanctions on Russia if the separatists failed to observe the truce.

Ukraine army to be trained by UK troops - Cameron

It doesn't take a genious to work out that could end badly. I suppose it's nothing that Russia hasn't been doing and a stand has to be taken but where does it stop? And how long before those training roles evolve in to something more?

Expect more Russian bombers flying just outside of U.K airspace, with the odd stray into U.K airspace. Probably more Russian subs just off the U.K coast, ready to attack if ordered to do so.

Training Ukranian troops is the last thing we need to be doing, that's just shy of a declaration of war.

To announce it at a committee meeting is pig headed of him, but I've come to expect this kind of behaviour from him. He should have made the announcement in the House, no excuses.

a reply to: sg1642

Britain is a member of the five eyes so no surprise with their involvement . The wests wants war and will do what ever it takes to get it . "U.S. Pushes For Escalation, Arms Kiev By Laundering Weapons Through Abu Dhabi

By Moon Of Alabama

February 24, 2015 "ICH" - The U.S. is circumventing its own proclaimed policy of not delivering weapons to Ukraine and is thereby, despite urgent misgivings from its European allies, increasing the chance of a wider catastrophic war in Europe.

The Ukrainian coup president Poroshenko went to an international arms exhibition in Dubai. There he met the U.S. chief military weapon salesman.

ABU DHABI – Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko is expected to meet with U.S. defense companies Tuesday during a major arms exhibition here even though the American government has not cleared the firms to sell Kiev lethal weapons.
Frank Kendall, the Pentagon’s acquisition executive is scheduled to meet with a Ukrainian delegation Monday evening, however Poroshenko is not expected to be there. Kendall, in an interview, said he will be bringing a message of support from the United States.

“I expect the conversation will be about their needs,” Kendall told Defense One a few hours before the meeting. “We’re limited at this point in time in terms of what we’re able to provide them, but where we can be supportive, we want to be.”

Poroshenko, urged on by his neocon U.S. sponsors, wants total war with Russia. Porosheko's deputy foreign minister, currently on a visit in Canada, relayed the message:

Ukraine's deputy foreign minister says he is preparing for "full-scale war" against Russia and wants Canada to help by supplying lethal weapons and the training to use them.
Vadym Prystaiko, who until last fall was Ukraine's ambassador to Canada, says the world must not be afraid of joining Ukraine in the fight against a nuclear power " www.informationclearinghouse.info...

Well we do make some pretty fine machine guns down Toronto way.....
I suppose they'll be cheaper now the Canadian dollar has been tanked by the US dollars increases....
We are hosts to a huge Ukrainian population...(.immigrants who fled Russian domination included from the aftermath of the 2nd WW.....)
I imagine they vote too....and PM Harper, that old weasel wants their votes...needs their votes....
Canada has been screwed over countless times by big brother the USA......Who appears wishy washy on the surface to any arming of the Ukies....We should get there first...with the most....Let them fight it out over there....they appear interested in doing so anyways....
Give them the weapons but send their boys over here for training...
We don't want no Canadians in a shooting war till they come over the N pole.......

So the Ukrainian army wasn't trained? how did they know how to load, aim and fire their weapons? Did their version of eagle scouts do their map reading for them? local supper markets supplied the food, water, fuel, and ammo? Eagle scouts supplied intelligence? ham radio did communications?

a reply to: stirling

Canada was the first country to send over a group to stand in support with the new regime when this crap went down .Yea Harper does need votes and especially out west where there is a big UK population .I some times wonder if they have been following the story from the shooting at Maidan and know about the NUland behind the scenes .

I cant see Canada supplying guns .I think the next round of the conflict will be some nastier weapons the standard NATO rifles . Maybe the whole game is a live war game testing new weapons against the others .

originally posted by: pikestaff
So the Ukrainian army wasn't trained? how did they know how to load, aim and fire their weapons? Did their version of eagle scouts do their map reading for them? local supper markets supplied the food, water, fuel, and ammo? Eagle scouts supplied intelligence? ham radio did communications?

No, when the old troops get killed you have to retrain the new meat.

Dear Mr. Cameron,

You know my name,
You know my game.

Sincerely.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
Expect more Russian bombers flying just outside of U.K airspace, with the odd stray..

No joke. Cameron's out of his mind. Putin knows exactly what's going on down here, that's why he sent the bombers in the first place. What has happened to my country?

The UK was starting to get hammered in the London tabloids about being sidelined in the Ukraine standoff. When Merkel and the French President went and nobody from the UK went it was splashed about as the UK being irrelevant in EU and World politics.

They can't look bad so they sent in 75 trainers. It's a pretty small gesture really and just to stop looking as feeble as the UK is looking. They haven't help Ukraine in the least and history will judge the UK for it's lack of action.

Putin should direct one of his businesses which are invested in UK to withdraw $5 Billion from UK. More than $100B of Russian money, even upto $500B is invested there.

UK will immediately come to its senses.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
Expect more Russian bombers flying just outside of U.K airspace, with the odd stray into U.K airspace. Probably more Russian subs just off the U.K coast, ready to attack if ordered to do so.

And we will then be within our legal rights to respond and escort such threats out of our airspace and monitor threats which remain. Russia has already been poking around, so this would be nothing new.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
Training Ukranian troops is the last thing we need to be doing, that's just shy of a declaration of war.

Why is it the last thing we need to be doing? Ukraine is an ally of the UK, it's entirely legal to assist an ally in the defense of their nation, especially when that defense is required to defend the much larger European group from the threats posed by Russia.

It's nothing like a declaration of war, that's an incredibly bombastic thing to claim. All we are doing is sending a small number of advisors and training staff to assist an ally, this is no different to trading operational assistance with Germany, France, the US, Canada, Australia... we assist each other and plan for strategies and run training exercises all the time, but you think because Russia has invaded Ukraine it's somehow unacceptable?

If anything it's more acceptable in this instance than any other routine training deployment.

originally posted by: noeltrotsky
The UK was starting to get hammered in the London tabloids about being sidelined in the Ukraine standoff. When Merkel and the French President went and nobody from the UK went it was splashed about as the UK being irrelevant in EU and World politics.

They can't look bad so they sent in 75 trainers. It's a pretty small gesture really and just to stop looking as feeble as the UK is looking. They haven't help Ukraine in the least and history will judge the UK for it's lack of action.

I don't read the tabloid trash, but I only saw a little mention of the UK being left out of the talks, and it seems most understand that this was only involving France and Germany because they both have major interests in peace with Russia. They were both willing to give away E Ukraine in exchange for keeping things nice with Russia and getting their gas trade and warship deliveries continuing.

Merkel wants that gas, and Hollande wants to see those war ships to Russia. Neither can get what they want until this is over, that's why they were at the table while the rest of the EU sat back and watched the futility of their effort.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
Expect more Russian bombers flying just outside of U.K airspace, with the odd stray into U.K airspace. Probably more Russian subs just off the U.K coast, ready to attack if ordered to do so.

Nah - none of htem are working.

and if they get some working,....so what? How is that nay different - perhaps expect the Typhoons to carry more missiles?

Posturing is only a problem if you think it is.

Training Ukranian troops is the last thing we need to be doing, that's just shy of a declaration of war.

It is nothing at all like a declaration of war!! Where on earth do you come up with such nonsense??

originally posted by: victor7
Putin should direct one of his businesses which are invested in UK to withdraw $5 Billion from UK. More than $100B of Russian money, even upto $500B is invested there.

UK will immediately come to its senses.

Invested by Oligarchs who will drop Putin pretty fast if he attempts to influence their businesses.
Business leaders in Russia are not happy with the Russian course, we know this. They are being significantly damaged by sanctions and they can see their own economy shrinking, if they pull out of the UK they'll only be losing yet more money.

originally posted by: Rocker2013
Russia has already been poking around

Oh, but if the country knew what they were looking for.

originally posted by: victor7
Putin should direct one of his businesses which are invested in UK to withdraw $5 Billion from UK. More than $100B of Russian money, even upto $500B is invested there.

UK will immediately come to its senses.

Yes, this is the real reason the UK has been all talk and no action on Ukraine. Billions of Russian booty moves through the London financial district daily. There are other options and the UK knows it so they sit back and do very little.

Shame!

David Cameron is making up for Obamas percieved weakness. Ever since Obama drew a line in the sand and then turned around and ran away, Putin has adopted a more agressive strategy, because he knows Obama is a weak leader. A weak US president in the eyes of the world poses more of a threat to world peace than ISIS and all the terrorist cells put together. The West must be seen as willing to act.

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: victor7
Putin should direct one of his businesses which are invested in UK to withdraw $5 Billion from UK. More than $100B of Russian money, even upto $500B is invested there.

UK will immediately come to its senses.

Invested by Oligarchs who will drop Putin pretty fast if he attempts to influence their businesses.
Business leaders in Russia are not happy with the Russian course, we know this. They are being significantly damaged by sanctions and they can see their own economy shrinking, if they pull out of the UK they'll only be losing yet more money.

If these Oligarch do not follow the Kremlin's line then they will end with a prison sentence along with their families in Siberia. These scoundrels have looted the Russian treasury in the first place. Putin or Kremlin have little to fear from these Oligarch bitches. He can confiscate their assets and give them one way ticket to a destination of choice.

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
Expect more Russian bombers flying just outside of U.K airspace, with the odd stray into U.K airspace. Probably more Russian subs just off the U.K coast, ready to attack if ordered to do so.

And we will then be within our legal rights to respond and escort such threats out of our airspace and monitor threats which remain. Russia has already been poking around, so this would be nothing new.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
Training Ukranian troops is the last thing we need to be doing, that's just shy of a declaration of war.

Why is it the last thing we need to be doing? Ukraine is an ally of the UK, it's entirely legal to assist an ally in the defense of their nation, especially when that defense is required to defend the much larger European group from the threats posed by Russia.

It's nothing like a declaration of war, that's an incredibly bombastic thing to claim. All we are doing is sending a small number of advisors and training staff to assist an ally, this is no different to trading operational assistance with Germany, France, the US, Canada, Australia... we assist each other and plan for strategies and run training exercises all the time, but you think because Russia has invaded Ukraine it's somehow unacceptable?

If anything it's more acceptable in this instance than any other routine training deployment.

Umm, okay

I didn't say it was a declaration of war, I said just shy of a declaration of war, there's not many options left after this one, regardless of how your precious Conservative party are trying to spin it.

Everyone can see tensions are running high in the Ukraine and a ceasefire is in place. Then there's 'call me Dave' announcing this crap, it's unacceptable any time, in my book.