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originally posted by: flammadraco
Absolutely love your writing style, very easy to follow and great subject matter!
S&F
originally posted by: Nyiah
Cute book idea, but can I make a suggestion? Would it be too much to ask to summarize these for those of us with limited time? Getting the gist for the time being and then coming back to read in depth is much better than losing people from your audience who can't sit & read the whole shebang & end up forgetting about your efforts.
originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Rezlooper
From what I have read so far, your work is thorough and makes the actual point that I was alluding to. Namely that methane actually does have the capacity to cause atmospheric warming.
Additionally, you recognize that a primary source for its release is the frozen methane on the sea floor.
What I have been complaining to my green friends about is that no interventionist legislative maneuvers could ever provide relief. We must think about how to ameliorate its effects, not destroy our economies for no reason.
originally posted by: pikestaff
I have been asking for ages how so little CO2 (less than half of one percent) can heat so much, many thanks to the poster for the explanation of Methane's actions in the atmosphere.
It appears Al Gore got things completely wrong. I mean totally wrong, 180 degrees wrong. Back-asswards, as they say.
I watched 'An Inconvenient Truth' a couple of times. One thing always bothered me and that was that in the historical record, the temperature peaks always came before the CO2 peaks. Yet if CO2 was the cause of the temperature rise, then the opposite should be expected: the temperature peaks should have occurred at or after the CO2 peaks. That was not the case. Why? That question was never answered.
Now I have the answer. It wasn't CO2 that caused the temperature rises at all. The oceans heat up first, perhaps due to volcanic activity. That causes the 'dead zones' to grow and plume hydrogen sulfide, which strips away the ozone layer. The warming oceans then release the methane contained in the methane clathrates into the atmosphere. The temperature peaks occur when the methane peaks in the atmosphere; methane is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2. Over time the methane degrades into CO2, so the atmospheric composition changes from methane to CO2, a strong greenhouse gas to a weaker one. As that occurs the temperature begins to come down even as the CO2 levels continue to rise and eventually peak. Also, the hydrogen sulfide and methane cause much or all of the Earth's surface to burn, both being highly flammable gases, and that too adds to the atmospheric CO2.
Is CO2 a greenhouse gas? Yes, it is. But it has not been CO2 that has been the warming culprit in Earth's history; it has been methane and hydrogen sulfide, mostly methane insofar as the heating of the planet is concerned. The CO2 comes after the burning and the methane releases. Thus, CO2 is not so much the cause as it is the effect. This fits the data much
better than Al Gore's simplistic CO2-did-it-all theory, and this explanation answers that heretofore unanswered question: why did the temperatures peak before the CO2 levels peaked?
originally posted by: Rezlooper
originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Rezlooper
From what I have read so far, your work is thorough and makes the actual point that I was alluding to. Namely that methane actually does have the capacity to cause atmospheric warming.
Additionally, you recognize that a primary source for its release is the frozen methane on the sea floor.
What I have been complaining to my green friends about is that no interventionist legislative maneuvers could ever provide relief. We must think about how to ameliorate its effects, not destroy our economies for no reason.
That's how I feel about it as well. No amount of carbon taxes isn't going to solve this problem. Sure, reducing our carbon emissions is a good thing, but it's not what's going to stop this runaway train. Some very serious measures have to be taken now, on a global scale, and I just don't see how we're going to get governments of the world to act on it and quickly, because too much has been vested in the CO2 debate and to now admit that there is a more real threat...well, how would that go over?
originally posted by: flammadraco
Absolutely love your writing style, very easy to follow and great subject matter!
S&F